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	<title>Comments on: 10 Cool Things We’ll Be Able To Do Once IE6 Is Dead; And A Few We Can&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: siwilkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>siwilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>multiple class selectors, eg.

.aClass.anotherClass {
  // some css
}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>multiple class selectors, eg.</p>
<p>.aClass.anotherClass {<br />
  // some css<br />
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		<title>By: fusionbr</title>
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		<dc:creator>fusionbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/

and for this while, you can use this :D</description>
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<p>and for this while, you can use this :D</p>
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		<title>By: okonomiyaki3000</title>
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		<dc:creator>okonomiyaki3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I agree with the majority of this but the idea that CSS could ever be a pleasure is going a bit too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I agree with the majority of this but the idea that CSS could ever be a pleasure is going a bit too far.</p>
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		<title>By: rasmusfl0e</title>
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		<dc:creator>rasmusfl0e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mojave: lol, it _has_ been released. ;)

IE6 is a zombie that has dodged many a bullet, IE7 was an epic fail as a catch-up attempt and then IE8 actually caught up - with the browsers of 2 years ago... Where is the HTML5/CSS3 support?!? 

We will be living in the stoneages forever if we can&#039;t get new specs supported in majority browsers.

If only we could uninstall IE remotely and replace it with Firefox, Safari or Chrome. There must some IE/Win exploit waiting to be used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mojave: lol, it _has_ been released. ;)</p>
<p>IE6 is a zombie that has dodged many a bullet, IE7 was an epic fail as a catch-up attempt and then IE8 actually caught up &#8211; with the browsers of 2 years ago&#8230; Where is the HTML5/CSS3 support?!? </p>
<p>We will be living in the stoneages forever if we can&#8217;t get new specs supported in majority browsers.</p>
<p>If only we could uninstall IE remotely and replace it with Firefox, Safari or Chrome. There must some IE/Win exploit waiting to be used.</p>
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		<title>By: mojave</title>
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		<dc:creator>mojave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding. I&#039;m already clamoring for the death of IE8 and it hasn&#039;t even been released yet. Not even released and it&#039;s already 2 years behind!  IE 6 is so dead in my eyes that if a user has it I don&#039;t need them, period, they can just piss right off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding. I&#8217;m already clamoring for the death of IE8 and it hasn&#8217;t even been released yet. Not even released and it&#8217;s already 2 years behind!  IE 6 is so dead in my eyes that if a user has it I don&#8217;t need them, period, they can just piss right off.</p>
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		<title>By: whutevr</title>
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		<dc:creator>whutevr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some it&#039;s not just a matter of updating their browser.
Some are die hard Microsoft users and won&#039;t switch from IE and either can&#039;t or won&#039;t upgrade their O/S to Win XP SP3 or Vista to be able to use IE7 or 8. I don&#039;t see IE6 going away until Windows 7 is released and Windows 2000 reaches EOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some it&#8217;s not just a matter of updating their browser.<br />
Some are die hard Microsoft users and won&#8217;t switch from IE and either can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t upgrade their O/S to Win XP SP3 or Vista to be able to use IE7 or 8. I don&#8217;t see IE6 going away until Windows 7 is released and Windows 2000 reaches EOL.</p>
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		<title>By: marlonbtx</title>
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		<dc:creator>marlonbtx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want ie6 dead , then don&#039;t develop for ie6 :). you probably say &#039;oh come on  17. % they still using ie6&#039;  ... oh come on!!  , let them upgrade them browsers! (as flash do it, everybody understand.. this concept)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want ie6 dead , then don&#8217;t develop for ie6 :). you probably say &#8216;oh come on  17. % they still using ie6&#8242;  &#8230; oh come on!!  , let them upgrade them browsers! (as flash do it, everybody understand.. this concept)</p>
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		<title>By: grayrest</title>
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		<dc:creator>grayrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want my HTML5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want my HTML5.</p>
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		<title>By: eyelidlessness</title>
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		<dc:creator>eyelidlessness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about IE 8, but IE 7 still has PNG-24 problems. Any pixel that isn&#039;t entirely opaque or entirely transparent will be treated as opaque in IE 7 if the image element or any of its containers is not exactly 100% opaque itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about IE 8, but IE 7 still has PNG-24 problems. Any pixel that isn&#8217;t entirely opaque or entirely transparent will be treated as opaque in IE 7 if the image element or any of its containers is not exactly 100% opaque itself.</p>
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		<title>By: jamiethompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamiethompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://icanhazrealbrowser.com</description>
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		<title>By: naterkane</title>
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		<dc:creator>naterkane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that the z-index bug rears it&#039;s head, although differently in IE7, where the order in which elements appear in a document can prohibit z-indexed items from stacking properly. When IE7 was just launching I ran into it while building http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/ (as can be seen with the overlaying arrow they insisted upon on at the top of the right column)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that the z-index bug rears it&#8217;s head, although differently in IE7, where the order in which elements appear in a document can prohibit z-indexed items from stacking properly. When IE7 was just launching I ran into it while building <a href="http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/" rel="nofollow">http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/</a> (as can be seen with the overlaying arrow they insisted upon on at the top of the right column)</p>
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		<title>By: StuartJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>StuartJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t wish for anything more than the death of IE6 (world peace is a close second but Jeez, perspective!). The site I&#039;m currently working on could be developed exactly as it is in Illustrator without using a single image if IE didn&#039;t exist, I&#039;d be able to have flexible width and that nav bar would be a simple two rule hover. But as it stands I&#039;ve compromised, it&#039;s a non-transparent graphic haven of tags that serve no purpose other than to round off corners and clear awkward floats, I&#039;d have a balanced layout that works whatever the browser window size (even mobile!) and that nav bar wouldn&#039;t be rule on rule of adjusting the size and adding in minus margins just to simulate a nice subtle shadow effect.

Why does IE even exist anymore? Microsoft pride?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t wish for anything more than the death of IE6 (world peace is a close second but Jeez, perspective!). The site I&#8217;m currently working on could be developed exactly as it is in Illustrator without using a single image if IE didn&#8217;t exist, I&#8217;d be able to have flexible width and that nav bar would be a simple two rule hover. But as it stands I&#8217;ve compromised, it&#8217;s a non-transparent graphic haven of tags that serve no purpose other than to round off corners and clear awkward floats, I&#8217;d have a balanced layout that works whatever the browser window size (even mobile!) and that nav bar wouldn&#8217;t be rule on rule of adjusting the size and adding in minus margins just to simulate a nice subtle shadow effect.</p>
<p>Why does IE even exist anymore? Microsoft pride?</p>
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		<title>By: pendensproditor</title>
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		<dc:creator>pendensproditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Building iPhone sites is bittersweet. You can use all of these features and more. It&#039;s like developing for the internet that should have been. Sometimes I&#039;d even have to undo hacks upon remembering I didn&#039;t need them anymore (e.g. using .first instead of :first-child to style the beginning of a list). I&#039;m always depressed when I go back to PC audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building iPhone sites is bittersweet. You can use all of these features and more. It&#8217;s like developing for the internet that should have been. Sometimes I&#8217;d even have to undo hacks upon remembering I didn&#8217;t need them anymore (e.g. using .first instead of :first-child to style the beginning of a list). I&#8217;m always depressed when I go back to PC audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: christoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>christoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a great fan of &quot;sorry, we won&#039;t sell you the thing you came here for because your browser is too old and we simply moved on. click to go back to Google and spend your money elsewhere instead, thanks&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a great fan of &#8220;sorry, we won&#8217;t sell you the thing you came here for because your browser is too old and we simply moved on. click to go back to Google and spend your money elsewhere instead, thanks&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BtM909</title>
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		<dc:creator>BtM909</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add abbreviations that everyone can see.

Quick fix has always been:
&lt;code&gt;document.createElement(&#039;abbr&#039;)&lt;/code&gt;

Overall, I couldn&#039;t agree more \o/ Hail to the death of IE6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add abbreviations that everyone can see.</p>
<p>Quick fix has always been:<br />
<code>document.createElement('abbr')</code></p>
<p>Overall, I couldn&#8217;t agree more \o/ Hail to the death of IE6</p>
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		<title>By: erisds</title>
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		<dc:creator>erisds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is fun to dream, but IE6 is going to be with us for a while yet. IE7 going on automatic update hasn&#039;t solved the problem. I just hope that MS killing Win2k next year will be a step in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fun to dream, but IE6 is going to be with us for a while yet. IE7 going on automatic update hasn&#8217;t solved the problem. I just hope that MS killing Win2k next year will be a step in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: jgeerdes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jgeerdes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if(navigator.userAgent.indexOf(&#039;MSIE&#039;)!=-1){window.close()}</description>
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		<title>By: travisalmand</title>
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		<dc:creator>travisalmand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that IE6 will be with us for years to come. There will always be those people who refuse to upgrade for whatever reason or don&#039;t understand the reasons to upgrade.

Then there&#039;s the corporate people that cannot or will not upgrade due to some proprietary code they have in use that requires IE6.

I think the only way to push things along is to just simply stop writing code for IE6. A message of some type is required on the site because I&#039;m sure a number of people will think the website is broken not realizing that the browser they choose to use pretty much just sucks.

For me it&#039;s a mixed bag. Any internal pages I create for my office I do not worry over IE6 at all since I know everyone who will view the pages are running IE7 or better.

Our web stats show that around 16% of our traffic is IE6. IE7 is just over half. Firefox is gaining while IE in general is falling. I&#039;m predicting that IE6 will fall below 10% by the end of the year but even then it&#039;s a significant enough amount of people that browser checking will still be required.

I&#039;m guessing that if one of my young daughters decides to become a web designer then maybe, possibly, she won&#039;t have to worry over the scourge that is IE6.

But do I dare dream such a dream?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that IE6 will be with us for years to come. There will always be those people who refuse to upgrade for whatever reason or don&#8217;t understand the reasons to upgrade.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the corporate people that cannot or will not upgrade due to some proprietary code they have in use that requires IE6.</p>
<p>I think the only way to push things along is to just simply stop writing code for IE6. A message of some type is required on the site because I&#8217;m sure a number of people will think the website is broken not realizing that the browser they choose to use pretty much just sucks.</p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s a mixed bag. Any internal pages I create for my office I do not worry over IE6 at all since I know everyone who will view the pages are running IE7 or better.</p>
<p>Our web stats show that around 16% of our traffic is IE6. IE7 is just over half. Firefox is gaining while IE in general is falling. I&#8217;m predicting that IE6 will fall below 10% by the end of the year but even then it&#8217;s a significant enough amount of people that browser checking will still be required.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that if one of my young daughters decides to become a web designer then maybe, possibly, she won&#8217;t have to worry over the scourge that is IE6.</p>
<p>But do I dare dream such a dream?</p>
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		<title>By: PJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m just being blind, but there&#039;s no source cited for this article.  So: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/04/14/10-cool-things-well-be-able-to-do-once-ie6-is-dead/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just being blind, but there&#8217;s no source cited for this article.  So: <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/04/14/10-cool-things-well-be-able-to-do-once-ie6-is-dead/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/04/14/10-cool-things-well-be-able-to-do-once-ie6-is-dead/</a></p>
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