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	<title>Comments on: Flash &#8220;Ajax&#8221; Update: Flex LiveCycle Data Services Goes Open-Source</title>
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		<title>By: AndyB</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-259947</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or if there is going to be a single provider who open sources their stuff, it&#039;s still their responsibility to see it ported to more platforms IF THEY WANT TO SEE MORE PEOPLE USE IT.  Open sourcing something to try to get someone else to do your porting for you (or whatever we&#039;re calling Microsoft letting Novell (or whoever) write Moonlight as the portable version of Silverlight) may follow the letter of open source, but not the spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if there is going to be a single provider who open sources their stuff, it&#8217;s still their responsibility to see it ported to more platforms IF THEY WANT TO SEE MORE PEOPLE USE IT.  Open sourcing something to try to get someone else to do your porting for you (or whatever we&#8217;re calling Microsoft letting Novell (or whoever) write Moonlight as the portable version of Silverlight) may follow the letter of open source, but not the spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Joeri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMF3 is an object serialization protocol that is optimized for the flash client meant to shuttle data from server to flash client and vice versa without lengthy marshalling times (faster than JSON or XML). There&#039;s no point to &quot;support&quot; in the browser.

Their hope with opening it up is to see flash become more attractive as a development platform by defocusing their server solutions. They&#039;ll simply have to open source the client to really gain a foothold though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMF3 is an object serialization protocol that is optimized for the flash client meant to shuttle data from server to flash client and vice versa without lengthy marshalling times (faster than JSON or XML). There&#8217;s no point to &#8220;support&#8221; in the browser.</p>
<p>Their hope with opening it up is to see flash become more attractive as a development platform by defocusing their server solutions. They&#8217;ll simply have to open source the client to really gain a foothold though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Bond-Caron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bond-Caron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting move, I looked into the AMF 3 Specification and from what I understand, it&#039;s a binary format (with limitations) highly tied with flash and adobe based technologies. I think their hope is too see browsers support AMF natively! The binary data exchange sounds like an open call for hackers to have even more fun on the Web!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting move, I looked into the AMF 3 Specification and from what I understand, it&#8217;s a binary format (with limitations) highly tied with flash and adobe based technologies. I think their hope is too see browsers support AMF natively! The binary data exchange sounds like an open call for hackers to have even more fun on the Web!</p>
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		<title>By: Snowcore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snowcore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree with alp: there are troubles with this on iPhone :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with alp: there are troubles with this on iPhone :-(</p>
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		<title>By: alp</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-259934</link>
		<dc:creator>alp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Many folks wonder why Ajax developers donâ€™t just use Flash
Perhaps because Flash isn&#039;t Ajax?  Doesn&#039;t run too well on the iPhone either :-P

Open sourcing around the edges does not change the fact that the player and its format are still proprietary and that there is only a single provider of that technology.  Some folks are comfortable with that, some aren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Many folks wonder why Ajax developers donâ€™t just use Flash<br />
Perhaps because Flash isn&#8217;t Ajax?  Doesn&#8217;t run too well on the iPhone either :-P</p>
<p>Open sourcing around the edges does not change the fact that the player and its format are still proprietary and that there is only a single provider of that technology.  Some folks are comfortable with that, some aren&#8217;t.</p>
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