Comments on: Flash “Ajax” Update: Flex LiveCycle Data Services Goes Open-Source http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:40:27 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: seanm http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-260010 seanm Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:53:48 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3110#comment-260010 As others have commented, BlazeDS rivals <a href="”" rel="nofollow">Comet</a>. <a href="”http://www.knownow.com”" rel="nofollow">KnowNow</a> itself was founded circa 2000 on the principles of HTTP real-time push; aka real-time content streaming. KnowNow and others take a pure browser approach to the frontend contending that any dependency on the runtime components, even if it’s as pervasive as Flash, is a limitation. Flexibility in messaging format is also key to pervasive adoption as a general purpose pub/sub application platform. Juxtapose this against Adobe support for a single format that is designed to drive a single vendor’s application use case needs. Existing pub/sub push platforms such as our own allow for a variety of messaging formats, both open and proprietary, such as JSON, RSS, Atom, other XML, KnowNow JSobj, and perhaps adding <a href="“http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/amf/amf3_spec_121207.pdf”" rel="nofollow">AMF</a> to the mix sometime in the future too. It’s nice to see the endorsement from Adobe of the benefits of a standards-based browser RIA driven by “server push” publish/subscribe services. Adobe should be applauded for publishing the spec for AMF as well. For more commentary about our viewpoint on this matter, see <a href="”" rel="nofollow">our viewpoint on our corporate blog</a>. As others have commented, BlazeDS rivals Comet. KnowNow itself was founded circa 2000 on the principles of HTTP real-time push; aka real-time content streaming. KnowNow and others take a pure browser approach to the frontend contending that any dependency on the runtime components, even if it’s as pervasive as Flash, is a limitation. Flexibility in messaging format is also key to pervasive adoption as a general purpose pub/sub application platform. Juxtapose this against Adobe support for a single format that is designed to drive a single vendor’s application use case needs. Existing pub/sub push platforms such as our own allow for a variety of messaging formats, both open and proprietary, such as JSON, RSS, Atom, other XML, KnowNow JSobj, and perhaps adding AMF to the mix sometime in the future too.

It’s nice to see the endorsement from Adobe of the benefits of a standards-based browser RIA driven by “server push” publish/subscribe services. Adobe should be applauded for publishing the spec for AMF as well. For more commentary about our viewpoint on this matter, see our viewpoint on our corporate blog.

]]> By: AndyB http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-259947 AndyB Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:11:57 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3110#comment-259947 Or if there is going to be a single provider who open sources their stuff, it's still their responsibility to see it ported to more platforms IF THEY WANT TO SEE MORE PEOPLE USE IT. Open sourcing something to try to get someone else to do your porting for you (or whatever we're calling Microsoft letting Novell (or whoever) write Moonlight as the portable version of Silverlight) may follow the letter of open source, but not the spirit. Or if there is going to be a single provider who open sources their stuff, it’s still their responsibility to see it ported to more platforms IF THEY WANT TO SEE MORE PEOPLE USE IT. Open sourcing something to try to get someone else to do your porting for you (or whatever we’re calling Microsoft letting Novell (or whoever) write Moonlight as the portable version of Silverlight) may follow the letter of open source, but not the spirit.

]]> By: Joeri http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-259946 Joeri Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:02:15 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3110#comment-259946 AMF3 is an object serialization protocol that is optimized for the flash client meant to shuttle data from server to flash client and vice versa without lengthy marshalling times (faster than JSON or XML). There's no point to "support" in the browser. Their hope with opening it up is to see flash become more attractive as a development platform by defocusing their server solutions. They'll simply have to open source the client to really gain a foothold though. AMF3 is an object serialization protocol that is optimized for the flash client meant to shuttle data from server to flash client and vice versa without lengthy marshalling times (faster than JSON or XML). There’s no point to “support” in the browser.

Their hope with opening it up is to see flash become more attractive as a development platform by defocusing their server solutions. They’ll simply have to open source the client to really gain a foothold though.

]]> By: Jonathan Bond-Caron http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-259943 Jonathan Bond-Caron Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:43:11 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3110#comment-259943 It's an interesting move, I looked into the AMF 3 Specification and from what I understand, it's a binary format (with limitations) highly tied with flash and adobe based technologies. I think their hope is too see browsers support AMF natively! The binary data exchange sounds like an open call for hackers to have even more fun on the Web! It’s an interesting move, I looked into the AMF 3 Specification and from what I understand, it’s a binary format (with limitations) highly tied with flash and adobe based technologies. I think their hope is too see browsers support AMF natively! The binary data exchange sounds like an open call for hackers to have even more fun on the Web!

]]> By: Snowcore http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-259936 Snowcore Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:54:12 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3110#comment-259936 Yes, I agree with alp: there are troubles with this on iPhone :-( Yes, I agree with alp: there are troubles with this on iPhone :-(

]]> By: alp http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax-in-flash-flex-livecycle-data-services-goes-open-source/comment-page-1#comment-259934 alp Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:30:19 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3110#comment-259934 >Many folks wonder why Ajax developers don’t just use Flash Perhaps because Flash isn't Ajax? Doesn't run too well on the iPhone either :-P Open sourcing around the edges does not change the fact that the player and its format are still proprietary and that there is only a single provider of that technology. Some folks are comfortable with that, some aren't. >Many folks wonder why Ajax developers don’t just use Flash
Perhaps because Flash isn’t Ajax? Doesn’t run too well on the iPhone either :-P

Open sourcing around the edges does not change the fact that the player and its format are still proprietary and that there is only a single provider of that technology. Some folks are comfortable with that, some aren’t.

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