Comments on: Ajax3D – the Next Arc up the Hype Curve http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: Joe http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-213930 Joe Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:15:36 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-213930 Also, Flux has fixed some bugs and added features, and those examples will run with very slight mods in two or three different X3D players in both IE and Ff, and getting better all the time. Yes it is real Ajax and yes it is real 3D. Tony was indeed brave and very considerate to the 3D community in hanging that out there. For somebody getting in to it, the SAI (the X3D DOM) is well documented in the standards at web3d.org. However, as in any developing browser, it may be tough to figure out exactly which of the interfaces are actually there. Thanks, Joe Also, Flux has fixed some bugs and added features, and those examples will run with very slight mods in two or three different X3D players in both IE and Ff, and getting better all the time. Yes it is real Ajax and yes it is real 3D. Tony was indeed brave and very considerate to the 3D community in hanging that out there. For somebody getting in to it, the SAI (the X3D DOM) is well documented in the standards at web3d.org. However, as in any developing browser, it may be tough to figure out exactly which of the interfaces are actually there.
Thanks,
Joe

]]> By: Aaron http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-65008 Aaron Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:51:56 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-65008 Say what you like about VRML I guess. "Because VRML was so great the first time around…". That's a criticism with no substance. VRML is a 3D file format that is still widely supported by many CAD, 3D Modeling, and Laser Scan data packages. If you're going to criticize, at least post some reasons and not something you've heard from someone else. That said, X3D addresses many of the disired features that VRML was missing. The version of the spec under review now includes support layering/overlays, particles effects, and rigid body physics. What VRML did do right was 3D for the masses, it allowed alot of us to get into 3D at a low cost, which would not have otherwise been possible. I'm an archaeologist by education. That's the beauty of X3D, tools are out there that are open source, from plug-ins to Maya and Max, to the completely open source Blender. X3D is still 3D for masses, ECMAScripting (for all of us programming challenged folks) and all the graphics power you could hope for. If you don't believe me, check out the X3D based game Cosmic Birdie from IMILabs.com. Say what you like about VRML I guess. “Because VRML was so great the first time around…”. That’s a criticism with no substance. VRML is a 3D file format that is still widely supported by many CAD, 3D Modeling, and Laser Scan data packages. If you’re going to criticize, at least post some reasons and not something you’ve heard from someone else.

That said, X3D addresses many of the disired features that VRML was missing. The version of the spec under review now includes support layering/overlays, particles effects, and rigid body physics.

What VRML did do right was 3D for the masses, it allowed alot of us to get into 3D at a low cost, which would not have otherwise been possible. I’m an archaeologist by education. That’s the beauty of X3D, tools are out there that are open source, from plug-ins to Maya and Max, to the completely open source Blender. X3D is still 3D for masses, ECMAScripting (for all of us programming challenged folks) and all the graphics power you could hope for. If you don’t believe me, check out the X3D based game Cosmic Birdie from IMILabs.com.

]]> By: AJP http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-64211 AJP Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:16:45 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-64211 Hmm, Worlds of Warcraft has millions of members - on a proprietary platform. Second Life has doubled in membership the last few months - on a proprietary platform. What if the Web/HTML was proprietary? It'd be a nice community with pretty great stuff - but not everywhere, all the time, added to by anyone who had the guts and chops. The argument about 3D is over folks - Xbox, PlayStation - we all have grown up with it and play in it most every day. Glad to see that it's now possible on the Web. Very cool and gutsy. Hmm, Worlds of Warcraft has millions of members – on a proprietary platform. Second Life has doubled in membership the last few months – on a proprietary platform. What if the Web/HTML was proprietary? It’d be a nice community with pretty great stuff – but not everywhere, all the time, added to by anyone who had the guts and chops. The argument about 3D is over folks – Xbox, PlayStation – we all have grown up with it and play in it most every day. Glad to see that it’s now possible on the Web. Very cool and gutsy.

]]> By: Viveka http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-64150 Viveka Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:48:01 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-64150 Well, it's Asynchronous Javascript and it's XML-encoded 3D, so I don't know what else you'd call it other than AJAX3D. AJAX describes the use of XMLHttpRequest with Javascript, and that's what's going on here. What's your issue? If you're not a 3D person, then I can see that you might not care about this, but to me it looks pretty damn sweet and it's certainly not an incorrect use of the term. Well, it’s Asynchronous Javascript and it’s XML-encoded 3D, so I don’t know what else you’d call it other than AJAX3D. AJAX describes the use of XMLHttpRequest with Javascript, and that’s what’s going on here. What’s your issue? If you’re not a 3D person, then I can see that you might not care about this, but to me it looks pretty damn sweet and it’s certainly not an incorrect use of the term.

]]> By: Tony Parisi http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-64104 Tony Parisi Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:48:27 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-64104 Hi folks, Just a little information in response to various comments: 1) Dietrich - there is indeed accompanying text for the tutorials. However it was posted only yesterday. Sorry for the confusion. 2) Mark - r/e the "Trademark" - the intent there is that this trademark will be controlled by the (non-profit) organization that forms around ajax3d.org. There is no formal organization in place but we already have a mailing list of about 50 people interested in participating, mostly generated from a Birds of a Feather SIGGRAPH session I ran last week. We are going to grow the group organically. 3) Alexei - it *is* really Ajax and it *does* work in IE 6 and Firefox. So I'm not sure what you are talking about... Hi folks,

Just a little information in response to various comments:

1) Dietrich – there is indeed accompanying text for the tutorials. However it was posted only yesterday. Sorry for the confusion.

2) Mark – r/e the “Trademark” – the intent there is that this trademark will be controlled by the (non-profit) organization that forms around ajax3d.org. There is no formal organization in place but we already have a mailing list of about 50 people interested in participating, mostly generated from a Birds of a Feather SIGGRAPH session I ran last week. We are going to grow the group organically.

3) Alexei – it *is* really Ajax and it *does* work in IE 6 and Firefox. So I’m not sure what you are talking about…

]]> By: Alexei http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-62923 Alexei Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:12:06 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-62923 Wow.. that is so not even kindof really Ajax it blows my mind. Also, it didn't work in IE 6 or Firefox (well. being VRML I'm not surprised). Wow.. that is so not even kindof really Ajax it blows my mind. Also, it didn’t work in IE 6 or Firefox (well. being VRML I’m not surprised).

]]> By: High Earth Orbit » Blog Archive » The ‘return’ of 3D http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-62873 High Earth Orbit » Blog Archive » The ‘return’ of 3D Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:51:32 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-62873 [...] Ajaxian has an article discussing the press release and code for ajax3d.org. Looking at the comments, it’s funny to see people disdain the return of 3D to the web. Following history, 3D web technology is following the standard “hype cycle”: [...] [...] Ajaxian has an article discussing the press release and code for ajax3d.org. Looking at the comments, it’s funny to see people disdain the return of 3D to the web. Following history, 3D web technology is following the standard “hype cycle”: [...]

]]> By: Andrew Turner http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-62865 Andrew Turner Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:39:56 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-62865 It's funny to see people disdain the return of 3D to the web. It's a standard "hype cycle": 1. "Technology Trigger" 2. "Peak of Inflated Expectations" 3. "Trough of Disillusionment" 4. "Slope of Enlightenment" 5. "Plateau of Productivity" Where 3D technology is now getting to the points of 'enlightenment'. Bandwidth is high, machines are fast, people are using technology for ever-increasing amount of their activites. They want to explore, interact. Anyways, 3D still has a future - altered realities, virtual realities, physical-space interaction, etc. As for the term, if you actually split it apart, it makes sense: "Asyncronous Javascript And X3D". It's like flying through GoogleEarth and having 3D object downloaded as you approach the area. It’s funny to see people disdain the return of 3D to the web. It’s a standard “hype cycle”:
1. “Technology Trigger”
2. “Peak of Inflated Expectations”
3. “Trough of Disillusionment”
4. “Slope of Enlightenment”
5. “Plateau of Productivity”

Where 3D technology is now getting to the points of ‘enlightenment’. Bandwidth is high, machines are fast, people are using technology for ever-increasing amount of their activites. They want to explore, interact. Anyways, 3D still has a future – altered realities, virtual realities, physical-space interaction, etc.

As for the term, if you actually split it apart, it makes sense: “Asyncronous Javascript And X3D”. It’s like flying through GoogleEarth and having 3D object downloaded as you approach the area.

]]> By: Karl G http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-62382 Karl G Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:36:26 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-62382 Because VRML was so great the first time around... Because VRML was so great the first time around…

]]> By: kourge http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-62035 kourge Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:05:52 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-62035 Ajax, it seems, is slowly degenerating into a term solely used to generate hype for various web products. Look at ajaxWrite. It's XUL-based, and it's not even Ajax. Ajax, it seems, is slowly degenerating into a term solely used to generate hype for various web products.
Look at ajaxWrite. It’s XUL-based, and it’s not even Ajax.

]]> By: Hubris Sonic http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-61959 Hubris Sonic Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:15:25 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-61959 oh no... not the 3D people.... oh no… not the 3D people….

]]> By: Mark Wubben http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve/comment-page-1#comment-61946 Mark Wubben Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:46:20 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ajax3d-the-next-arc-up-the-hype-curve#comment-61946 Hey, it's "trademarked", too! Hey, it’s “trademarked”, too!

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