Comments on: Ajaxed: Ajax for classic ASP

By: digithings00

digithings00 — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:49:13 +0000

I could not agree more about what is being said about ASP. I hired a .NET programmer for a fairly simple project that should have taken about 2 months. 6 months later, the guy (supposedly quite good) was still pointing and clicking and delivering nothing. My client getting really impatient, I had to get down to business and tried to fix the mess. After 6 hours of looking at useless (mostly automatically generated) code, I bit the bullet and re-wrote the app from scratch in Classic ASP in about 3 weeks. BTW: I liked .Net but only for large corporations where the benefit of corporate-wide standards and re-usable components outweight the complexity. So big corps can have talented designers coming up with the real stuff and code-monkeys pointing and clicking all day, re-using the components.
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By: sarqdaniel

sarqdaniel — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:55:58 +0000

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By: dylanj

dylanj — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:23:39 +0000

I’m just commenting about the “Valid XHTML and CSS” thing at the bottom of this page. It’s a load of rubbish – go to validator.w3.org and enter the URL of this page.

Anyway, yes. Classic ASP is still going – “I keep checking and they just keep piling on more layers of the stuff” – Exactly :)

By: mikenz

mikenz — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:38:11 +0000

@Kressilac – i have a large system running on Server 2008 in classic ASP and it runs sweet. The only thing i can’t get to work is CDONTS (no particular reason for using cdonts, but hey it ran ok for 8 years).
Interesting you say .net is quicker but i can’t really see how .net can be quicker to develop under unless you don’t need to customise any aspects of your UI. Anything slightly different seems to require a whole different approach.

By: mikenz

mikenz — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:28:10 +0000

Yeah ASP rocks!! I’ve got several sites and large systems still working great and still easy to modify that are 7 years old or so.

I’ve realised latetly i think it might be precisely because microsoft STOPPED adding features to ASP that everything still works!

I can’t image what maintenance and upgrade nightmares i would have had if i had chosen to use the then flavour of the month .NET 1.0 – man that was real pile of shite. I keep checking and they just keep piling on more layers of the stuff….

By: dylanj

dylanj — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:53:25 +0000

Yay for classic asp! :)

By: Johnny82

Johnny82 — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:34:32 +0000

.NET full of problems as a web develop tool, not like PHP or JSP.
Make project then solution (day is over)
Make classes and redit some classes (day is over)
I’m in vacation can i redit my website (no i dont think so, no cyber have .NET IDE ofcourse)
DLLs is away slower than any Javascript functions ofcourse !! it applies too to the AJAX.

By: dan fad

dan fad — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:51:55 +0000

iâ€™m a classic ASP developer and i love it. with just a Notepad it’s very handy and you can update it any pc.

By: Nadira Sheikh

Nadira Sheikh — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:00:12 +0000

Its great i always used it..

By: atul sing

atul sing — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:59:13 +0000

Great info

By: Gajendra rathore

Gajendra rathore — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:58:15 +0000

Goode coding techniques

By: Kavita suryawanshi

Kavita suryawanshi — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:57:27 +0000

Weâ€™re cutting our own throats here by signing up for each new product that MS develops! I suppose younger readers will learn this soon enough when in a few years all their .NET experience counts for nothing and they find their jobs vanishing

By: Sebastian Gomez

Sebastian Gomez — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:03:29 +0000

i’m a classic ASP developer for some years now and i’ve tried the .NET platform and what you guys say it’s true: too much complicated. but the BIG reason to stay in ASP, the REAL one is the fact that you can integrate new code and edit existing one EASILY. i mean, in my job there’s a lot of maintaining job to the aplicattions, so, it’s pretty cool to open the .asp file, fix the bug, and voilÃ¡!… in this type of environment (a lot of changes pretty often) it would be nasty to re-compile the entire app in order to work… Â¿or am i missing some ASP.NET feature that avoid this?… anyway… my vote it’s for classic ASP

By: Pete

Pete — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:42:29 +0000

I’m a classic ASP programmer and I really enjoy using it. I’ve tried using .NET and ran thru some tutorials, etc. Bottom line for me was that .NET was way too complicated and bloated. Yet another steep learning curve!

[rant]
Frankly, I’m a bit tired of spending years gaining experience on a platform only to have it ripped out from under me and being forced to use yet another new product that costs big bucks and is supposedly so much better. I’ve been developing code for about 30 years now (Basic, Fortran, Pascal, Ada, C, C++, DOS, Windows, Visual C, Visual Basic, Visual Studio, MFC, Win32, COM, ASP, etc.) and with each “new and better” product that’s released, I end up having no more experience than the average 20 year old. We’re cutting our own throats here by signing up for each new product that MS develops! I suppose younger readers will learn this soon enough when in a few years all their .NET experience counts for nothing and they find their jobs vanishing.

I see these new platforms as just another way for MS to hold developers and companies hostage. I enjoy programming…not clicking checkboxes and dragging objects around. To me that’s not programming. At any rate, I don’t see ASP going away anytime soon since there’s about 100 million websites using the stuff and MS would be nuts to stop supporting it. Of course…this is MS w’re talking about here…..
[/rant]

Ok…I feel better now :-)

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:05:48 +0000

As long as classic ASP is supported and my hosting company will host classic ASP pages, that’s what I will use. For the work I do, it gets the job done and so far it has never failed me.

By: Jon

Jon — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:15:02 +0000

BS, classic asp WILL be supported in WS 2008, just have to install it…

blogs.iis.net/metegokt/archive/2007/06/26/administering-iis7-on-server-core-installations-of-windows-server-2008.aspx

Using classic ASP since it’s inception. I agree on the bloated .NET stuff but think it’s much faster for enterprise development. I work at an ad agency doing small sites and classic ASP is perfect.

By: Kressilac

Kressilac — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:17:22 +0000

You guys are crazy. Classic ASP is so much slower to code for. I do both in my current work environment and we get so much more done much more quickly under ASP.Net than we do Classic ASP. That and ASP.Net runs better on the server and play nice with your database request bandwidth. Refusal to move to ASP.Net is a career death wish if you want to stay with the Microsoft platform. You do know that with Server 2008 IIS is no longer configured standard to run ASP code right? The writing is on the wall…

By: Cesar

Cesar — Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:00:43 +0000

Amen to that brother…I mean .net technologies really is the future for enterprise solutions but you’re right…for simple things, php and classic asp are simply better solutions.

I just wrote a cute little cms in classic asp over the weekend…since I’m not a .net developer I can’t comment on how long it would have taken…
I am looking forward to getting into .net though…I’ll be migrating over soon

By: Philip

Philip — Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:29:05 +0000

I have used .net. and tried for days to do something i can do in asp classic in 5 minutes. And whats with all those different classes? protected, public etc. Yeah sure you can drag and drop stuff and build stuff the easy way the way .net wants it. But what if you need to use a excisting database (like oracle) and use rulesengines in between. Back to the hand work it is and there .net is the most irritating thing to use. It actualy takes more code to do something simple then asp

By: Cesar

Cesar — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:54:27 +0000

I use classic ASP at work…i’m actually the ONLY one there using it while everyone is working in C# .NET

I am going to migrate over sometime this year but OOP is an entirely different way of thinking. I recently purchased a book that specifically discusses HOW to think in object oriented ways. very interesting stuff.
People do have a point about .NET being too much for websites; unless you’re doing enterprise level financial web applications then there’s no need for it