Saturday, September 23rd, 2006
Ajaxian.com 2006 Survey Results
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The results of our second annual Ajaxian.com survey, prepared by Richard Monson-Hafael from the Burton Group, are in. And the winner is… Prototype, the most popular Ajax framework, by a considerable margin: 43% of you use it. Script.aculo.us is next, at 33%, confirming observations that many of made of the popularity of that duo.
The full results of our framework survey follow:
Note that multiple responses per participant were allowed; we’ve also thrown out any result with less than 3% of responses in the above graphic.
We also asked you about the server-side platform you’re using. The big winner here was PHP, with 50% of you using it:
Some other interesting factoids:
- 25% of you eschew frameworks and work with XMLHttpRequest directly (wow!)
- 11% of you are using JSON to transfer data; unfortunately, we didn’t ask enough questions to determine how this compares with XML or other data formats
- 3% of you are still using Microsoft’s “classic” ASP framework; five of you (~0.6%) are using C++ (+2 points for increased performance, -100 for increased complexity?)
- 2% of you wrote in to say that you’re using Adobe’s Flex toolkit (hey, those banner ads are working out…); 2% also indicated that they use the Flex/Ajax bridge. Unfortunately, the survey software we used doesn’t let us correlate these entries, so we can only say that 2%-4% of you are using Flex in some way
- One participant uses Delphi (how’s that working out for you?), and another is using LISP (can we hire you?).
The survey results are based on 865 participants over the course of a week in September, 2006. The raw results are available.
UPDATED: Changed the wording of the Adobe Flex bullet above to be more accurate.
Prototype a framework? Sloppy interpretations here. How about defining AJAX framework as something that allows relatively brain-dead widget utilization? How many of these “frameworks” would qualify?
Hmm… I’ve ceased interpreting any semantic distinction between the terms “library” and “framework” ages ago. Perhaps that’s a mistake. In any event, as should be obvious from the context of the survey, “framework” here indicates a body of code that provides a foundation for making use of XHR and DOM manipulation easier.
You’re right in that many of the frameworks mentioned in the survey don’t provide “widget” abstractions, of course. The popularity of Prototype speaks for itself as to the usefulness of frameworks that omit that feature.
Having used both Dojo and the Prot.aculo.us, my 2c:
- Dojo is great for building a web app (as in enterprise)
- Prot.aculo.us is good for building a web site (as in *cough* web2.0)
No offense, but I would think there should be no real differentiation between Prototype and Scriptaculous, since the latter is built on top (and uses) the former. (Not that I don’t believe the numbers, although I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a definite skew of RoR devs in the survey, but that’s the nature of the beast).
Possibly a better graph would be to show those libraries built on top of Prototype (and not Prototype itself), and then show a separate graph of Prototype-based systems vs. non-Prototype based.(For the record, I’ve nothing against Prototype/Scriptaculous, in fact I’ve used them in some projects myself. Although I am getting a bit tired of the fascination with truly cryptic variable names. It’s one thing to refer to a string as “s” or an array as “a”. It’s quite another to try to remember what $/$$/$$$/_$/__$_$___$_$_$___ actually *means*.)
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Unlike Ben, I think it is worth while having a distinction between framework and library even if common usage muddies the semantic waters. I see the difference being about how you use the code. In a library you just call out to it, where as a framework requires you to fit your code to its shape. There is often some (a lot?) of overlap.
For example, at my place of employment we have a body of JS code (about 150kb at last count) that is both a framework and a library. Our framework (creatively called ‘Framework’) is fairly small (maybe 10-15% of the overall code), it provides two primary tools, Packaging and Class support as well as some smaller supporting tools. To use our Package class or Class system you have to write you code in a way that fits the model we have provided. The library has some overlap with the framework stuff (seeing as it is implemented on top of it), but is mostly a collection of packages with code that can be dropped into a project.
Also Fnustle, claiming something is only a AJAX framework if it provides widget support seems rather naïve to me. a) surely an AJAX framework is about the AJAX support it provides first and b) It is totally possible to provide ‘drop in’ widgets in a library, and it is totally possible to provide a framework without.
Ben, I understand what you’re saying and I don’t want to quibble symantics but I think it’s critical to make a distinction between “frameworks” that are for hardcore AJAX developers and component utilizers. From what I have read here and elsewhere this critical distinction is often forgotten, which in the end will just muddy the waters for AJAX ever gaining real mainstream developer traction.
Tom: Script.aculo.us and Prototype are definitely coupled, but the margin of folks using just Prototype — 10% — seems big enough to keep the graphs apart, don’t you think? Oh, and yes, we do get around to fixing bugs on the site every six months or so, thanks for noticing. :-)
RE: Frameworks vs. libraries. I think y’all have made some great points. Clearly, on opposite ends of the spectrum, there is a distinction between a library (a bundle of code) and a framework (a platform). It’s that darn grey area in-between that makes me punt on the whole issue. Perhaps “library” should be my catch-all term…
To be fair, the survey was about Ajax Frameworks, not RIA in general, and the option was for the “Flex Ajax Bridge”, which is not the Flex toolkit / framework, but rather a library that enhances communication between Flex & Ajax applications.
James: Actually, that’s a problem — I counted the write-in’s for “Flex”, not the “Flex/Ajax bridge”, which was another ~2%, and I have no idea how many are redundant votes. So, it would be correct to say 2%- 4%… I’ll have to fix that.
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AndrewB, again I am not trying to define what a framework is and is not. The distinction that I am trying to raise is between the inside and outside views of a “framework/library/whatever.” For example in .NET the outside view is called ASP.NET server controls and the inside view is called AJAX.NET. Of the frameworks listed some are appropriate for people working on the guts, and some are appropriate for people who just want to use the thing. Also I am unconcerned about whether or not widgets are the centeral paradigm, although usually this is the case. I hope my point is now clear to you.
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1DMF: There are roughly speaking two categories of libraries for Ajax development:
XHR helpers / “remoting” libraries. These make async data requests using XHR or IFRAMEs or whatever much easier. Prototype falls into this category.
DOM manipulation helper libs. These make it easier to manipulate the web page, often to achieve some kind of effect. Script.aculo.us falls into this category.
In addition to providing the basic functionality above, the libs often provide tools to make many other tasks easier.
So, you don’t need any third-party code to do Ajax, but you’ll find the libraries will make Ajax much, much easier.
Oliver, Marc: Apologies if something was left off the list. The survey author, Richard Monson-Hafael, busted his butt trying to get anything remotely resembling an Ajax library listed, but mistakes are bound to happen.
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Patrick: I don’t recall writing anything in the posting as to which of these frameworks is “better” than the others. Indeed, I’m not sure popularity is ever an indication of anything other than… popularity. Of course this survey is an indication of what readers of Ajaxian are using, not other crowds. The problem with statistics, I’m afraid, is that they can never represent true reality, just what a specific sample of people say they do. Among the possibilities of skewage are “get-out-the-vote” campaigns by the libraries in the poll, differences in which communities get to the RSS feeds within a week (poll was only open for a week; I certainly don’t read a lot of feeds this regularly), and so forth.
Isn’t the sample for this survey too small? 865 responses is VERY narrow. I wouldn’t put much weight on any of these results. So, if you’re not seeing one of your favorite Ajax frameworks for .NET represented well, then look at the sample group. It’s mostly PHP/Java developers.
Isn’t the sample for this survey too small? 865 responses is VERY narrow
jft: Actually, if you look at the other tech magazines who run surveys, I think you’ll find its an awfully big sample for a one-week survey run. InfoWorld, for example, regularly makes a big to-do about surveys with a 1,000 response size over a much longer period of time.
Ben–
Tom: Script.aculo.us and Prototype are definitely coupled, but the margin of folks using just Prototype — 10% — seems big enough to keep the graphs apart, don’t you think?
No, actually, I don’t–but perhaps it would have been more useful to show those using Prototype directly, and those using a library built on top of it? Although now that I’m looking at what you’re saying, Scriptalculous should have been the top entry…with Prototype by itself sitting between moo.fx and jQuery. (Like I said, I happen to like Prototype and Scriptaculous, except for the cryptic var names).
Oh, and yes, we do get around to fixing bugs on the site every six months or so, thanks for noticing. :-)
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Although now that I’m looking at what you’re saying, Scriptalculous should have been the top entry…with Prototype by itself sitting between moo.fx and jQuery
Tom: Not enough data to make that leap. I’ve no idea if those who just use Script.aculo.us checked it and not Prototype, or what. While some folks may want to knock Prototype off its pedestal, for our purposes, knowing that at least 43% of participants use Prototype (not counting those who use Script.aculo.us and other tools that depend on Prototype and failed to check the Prototype box) is good data.
In a world where bragging rights are often the only reward you get for a lot of hard work, I think Sam deserves a big pat on the back, not complaints that because other tools bundle Prototype, it ought not be counted. Give credit where credit’s due, I say.
Of course, in future surveys, we ought to do a better job at providing options like:
Prototype
Prototype + Script.aculo.us
Prototype + Rico
to remove the ambiguity of whether or not we expect you to know that Script.aculo.us bundles Prototype, etc.
Am I off base?
At any rate this was a really interesting survey and I’m looking forward to seeing it repeated every once in a while. Way to go guys!
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In a world where bragging rights are often the only reward you get for a lot of hard work, I think Sam deserves a big pat on the back, not complaints that because other tools bundle Prototype, it ought not be counted. Give credit where credit’s due, I say.
There is definitely no argument there; not trying to take credit away from Sam at all here. It just seems to me to be deceptive to say that 43% use Prototype, when one can’t really tell if the real stat is “33% use scriptaculous while another 10% use Prototype directly” or if you really have 43% of people using Prototype by itself. Know what I mean?
(Let me just reiterate again that I’m not being sore here; I know full well that prototype/scriptaculous is very popular and there’s a reason for it.)
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Know what I mean?
Tom: I do; we’ll do a better job in the next survey.
Ajaxian.com 2006 Survey Results - Most Popular Ajax Framework
Ajaxian.com 2006 Survey Results - Most Popular Ajax Framework
Hi,
I didn’t see this mentioned anywhere, and I unfortunately wasn’t reading my RSS feeds in time to participate in the survey (doesn’t matter, I’d have ended up in #1 and #2): Do I take it that developers could vote for more than one toolkit in the survey? (I’m assuming this since the total for all toolkits in your chart is way over 100%.) If so, that would definitely skew the results for anyone working with Prototype, since if they’re knowledgeable they would have voted for Prototype when also voting for Script.aculo.us, Rico, and possibly moo. I’d suggest you restrict voting to only one “toolkit” (or whatever you want to call them) next time.
Thanks a lot for the survey… there’s still a lot of great information here.
Cheers,
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Good and useful survey! If there is going to be a next round, please advertise it beforehand in the user forum of several frameworks, I’m sure many people just like me didn’t even know about it.
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“Note that multiple responses per participant were allowed”
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