Comments on: Aptana Cloud: A sneak peak

By: mojave

mojave — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:53:43 +0000

Nosrednalts,
ya memes, memes… dawkins memes not multpart mimes…

By: phpeter

phpeter — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:43:27 +0000

Maybe i didn’t get the point – but what makes this webspace so special, that it’s about 2 times more expensive than a usual virtual server with similar performance ?

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:44:21 +0000

Er, I meant hardware, not software.

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:43:54 +0000

mojave,

I’m certainly against mimes, but I think the word you were looking for is “meme.”

Sometimes you can throw software at the problem (more servers) and sometimes you can’t (consumer web client).

There have always been more bad programmers than good, i think.

By: holts

holts — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:51:01 +0000

I’ll state the obvious: …that’s a very hyperbolic and distorted view of the truth, Mojave. Nothing wrong with being a Java developer, Java is great. But clearly you haven’t developed in Ruby or Rails much. …use the right tool for the right job, and Rails apps developed by people who understand the conventions fit for a very large class of web applications. Same goes for Python/Django apps. The relationship you make to .ppt just communicates a complete ignorance of Rails in general, a framework that espouses TDD/BDD, MVC, separation of concerns, OO development.

By: mojave

mojave — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:26:34 +0000

Nosredna,
This is true to a certain degree, it is however a very bad mime to propogate to programmers. It is why XP is faster than Vista, why it takes 10X as much electricity to serve a Rails application as it does to serve one in Java doing the same work ( because it take 10 servers to every 1 ). I’ve noticed in the last few years a new generation of programmers coming up that just think “If it’s not serving fast enough throw more hardware at it.” Programmers who have more in common with PowerPoint Jockies than … well… programmers.

By: khakman2

khakman2 — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:29:16 +0000

You can request early access to Aptana Cloud @ http://www.aptana.com/cloud

By: holts

holts — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:14:50 +0000

Convention over configuration is a great thing if you know how to use it. Deployment is definitely one area where convention over configuration makes sense for a large percentage of web apps, imo. Underlying all of that is that you have to intimately KNOW the convention (see Rails: You can gain so much efficiency out of Rails, but you have to know where the opinionated decisions reside, and how to leverage them). If you don’t, you introduce fragility, but if you DO, you know where not to tread and how to leverage it into great productivity and performance gains.

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:42:01 +0000

mojave,

Mature technologies always leave efficiency behind. We don’t program games in assembly language anymore. At some point, it’s more important to add features and address usability than to squeeze out the last cycles.

By: mojave

mojave — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:18:34 +0000

This is an interesting trend. To some degree it kinda scares me. I mean it’s cool that you can just push a couple of buttons and “BAM” you have a webapplicaiton server. But I tend to think that part of the art of making an application is understanding the environtment it runs it, tuning the applciation and knowing how to grow it. Things like this and google app engine give me the creeps. But then I suppose when your business model is, the more resources you use, the more money we make, service providers would want to discourage efficiency. Just some thoughts….

By: jaimz

jaimz — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:02:06 +0000

whats “Ruby of Rails” :P shouldn’t it be “Ruby ON Rails”

Very cool btw

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:57:04 +0000

The only reason I use PHP is that it’s so easy to find cheap hosts. I might think about Jaxer once it spreads. It looks like a fun server to program.

By: gtwiz

gtwiz — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:22:46 +0000

hmm Cloud = webhosting 2.0? I think i am lost. after i read what aptana cloud is. someone please clarify. Amazon EC2 makes me believe that it is another generation of webhosting but closer to utility computing.