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	<title>Comments on: Aptana releases Jaxer, Ajax server built on Mozilla</title>
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		<title>By: CometDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>CometDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What kind of functionality does an Ajax server offer thats different from a normal server.  Is it the same as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stream-hub.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;StreamHub Reverse Ajax Server&lt;/a&gt;?  Or am I missing something here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of functionality does an Ajax server offer thats different from a normal server.  Is it the same as <a href="http://www.stream-hub.com/" rel="nofollow">StreamHub Reverse Ajax Server</a>?  Or am I missing something here?</p>
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		<title>By: musicfreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>musicfreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I think this is an interesting idea. I&#039;m not going to lie, when I saw the article I heard myself almost yelling &quot;woah&quot;. But after taking a closer look at it, it isn&#039;t that special. It&#039;s nice to have the same language on the server and client, but it&#039;s not needed. JavaScript was not meant to be a server-side language. Something like Python or Ruby serves the purpose much better.

Aside from my opinion, there are several technical problems with this implementation:
1) &lt;strong&gt;Speed.&lt;/strong&gt; I think that&#039;s obvious, but parsing the DOM and all that stuff for every single page requested, even if it has no JavaScript on it, is a huge performance hit.
2) &lt;strong&gt;Flexibility.&lt;/strong&gt; Or lack of flexibility. You can&#039;t really control things like HTML formatting with the DOM. I mean, that&#039;s not too important, but for someone like me who likes their HTML clean and indented when they click View Source, it&#039;s a bit irritating to see it formatted the Mozilla way. You can&#039;t even make a template engine (well technically you can, but it would be slow as hell compared to the same one written in another language).
3) &lt;strong&gt;Limitations.&lt;/strong&gt; There are currently some technical limitations as to how it can be set up. For example, you have to set it to parse every document in a specific directory. You can&#039;t associate certain file extensions with Jaxer (or at least not that I know of), like you can with PHP and all the others.

All in all, I don&#039;t think Jaxer is ready for use. Of course, it&#039;s a newborn baby, and I can see it growing up in the future, but I don&#039;t believe it is ready for a production environment yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I think this is an interesting idea. I&#8217;m not going to lie, when I saw the article I heard myself almost yelling &#8220;woah&#8221;. But after taking a closer look at it, it isn&#8217;t that special. It&#8217;s nice to have the same language on the server and client, but it&#8217;s not needed. JavaScript was not meant to be a server-side language. Something like Python or Ruby serves the purpose much better.</p>
<p>Aside from my opinion, there are several technical problems with this implementation:<br />
1) <strong>Speed.</strong> I think that&#8217;s obvious, but parsing the DOM and all that stuff for every single page requested, even if it has no JavaScript on it, is a huge performance hit.<br />
2) <strong>Flexibility.</strong> Or lack of flexibility. You can&#8217;t really control things like HTML formatting with the DOM. I mean, that&#8217;s not too important, but for someone like me who likes their HTML clean and indented when they click View Source, it&#8217;s a bit irritating to see it formatted the Mozilla way. You can&#8217;t even make a template engine (well technically you can, but it would be slow as hell compared to the same one written in another language).<br />
3) <strong>Limitations.</strong> There are currently some technical limitations as to how it can be set up. For example, you have to set it to parse every document in a specific directory. You can&#8217;t associate certain file extensions with Jaxer (or at least not that I know of), like you can with PHP and all the others.</p>
<p>All in all, I don&#8217;t think Jaxer is ready for use. Of course, it&#8217;s a newborn baby, and I can see it growing up in the future, but I don&#8217;t believe it is ready for a production environment yet.</p>
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		<title>By: perenzo</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/aptana-releases-jaxer-ajax-server-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1#comment-261969</link>
		<dc:creator>perenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, forgot the link: http://www.pyxer.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, forgot the link: <a href="http://www.pyxer.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.pyxer.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: perenzo</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/aptana-releases-jaxer-ajax-server-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1#comment-261968</link>
		<dc:creator>perenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar approach is to use Python on client and server side, since Javascript is a quite young language for server side programming. Pyxer  is an implementation of this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar approach is to use Python on client and server side, since Javascript is a quite young language for server side programming. Pyxer  is an implementation of this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: jmarranz</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/aptana-releases-jaxer-ajax-server-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1#comment-261460</link>
		<dc:creator>jmarranz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaxer is not the only kid on the block of &quot;DOM in the server&quot; paradigm, some months ago &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itsnat.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ItsNat&lt;/a&gt;  an AJAX Java framework was released using a similar approach but in Java. If Jaxer is a Mozilla/FireFox in the server, ItsNat is a Universal Java W3C Browser in the server too build using servlets. In Jaxer view logic is in JavaScript W3C DOM, in ItsNat is Java W3C DOM, both share many things (conceptually).

Anyway ItsNat doesn&#039;t need to create new persistence APIs etc because is Java, you can use the persistence framework (or any JavaEE part) you like more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaxer is not the only kid on the block of &#8220;DOM in the server&#8221; paradigm, some months ago <a href="http://www.itsnat.org" rel="nofollow">ItsNat</a>  an AJAX Java framework was released using a similar approach but in Java. If Jaxer is a Mozilla/FireFox in the server, ItsNat is a Universal Java W3C Browser in the server too build using servlets. In Jaxer view logic is in JavaScript W3C DOM, in ItsNat is Java W3C DOM, both share many things (conceptually).</p>
<p>Anyway ItsNat doesn&#8217;t need to create new persistence APIs etc because is Java, you can use the persistence framework (or any JavaEE part) you like more.</p>
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		<title>By: polterguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>polterguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like every single Ajax framework vendor on the planet has commented here, so I feel I have to dive in ;)
(widget+, Qooxdoo etc)
There exists as you all say similar technologies, one is ours (Gaia Ajax Widgets) which can manipulate DOM on the server through building up the page using WebControls which are typed and compiled and sent to the client over XHR channel. The technology behind this thing is surely great, and the ability to only think about _one_ language when doing development of Ajax apps is brilliant, but to call this &quot;new&quot; is like calling sliced bread &quot;new&quot;...
Our samples at; http://ajaxwidgets.com/AllControlsSamples/ is for instance built 100% in C#, not ONE line of &quot;Custom JavaScript&quot; there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like every single Ajax framework vendor on the planet has commented here, so I feel I have to dive in ;)<br />
(widget+, Qooxdoo etc)<br />
There exists as you all say similar technologies, one is ours (Gaia Ajax Widgets) which can manipulate DOM on the server through building up the page using WebControls which are typed and compiled and sent to the client over XHR channel. The technology behind this thing is surely great, and the ability to only think about _one_ language when doing development of Ajax apps is brilliant, but to call this &#8220;new&#8221; is like calling sliced bread &#8220;new&#8221;&#8230;<br />
Our samples at; <a href="http://ajaxwidgets.com/AllControlsSamples/" rel="nofollow">http://ajaxwidgets.com/AllControlsSamples/</a> is for instance built 100% in C#, not ONE line of &#8220;Custom JavaScript&#8221; there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Herchenroeder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Herchenroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also excited about Jaxter, but to me the whole discussion also throws a sharp light on Javascript as a language (think performance). I think it&#039;s more than time JS comes of age, and leaves the confines of the browsers and the scripting-the-browser-and-HTML cliche. I think everything available (Seamonkey, Rhino, ...) is not entirely convincing (with JScript maybe a notable exception). We want JIT compilation and the ability to spawn muliple interpreter instances - from within JS code. We want module support in the language and a threading API. We want native implementations on various platforms that conform to the language spec, network and file I/O and the ability to develop and test code ouside of browsers. I&#039;m fine with restricting JS in the browser, reducing it to a &#039;jslet&#039; type of platform. But I wish Brendan Eich would make the minimal provisions in the language to have all this infrastructure built upon. Which of the then possible enhancements will be implemented in or only outside the browser is left to another discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also excited about Jaxter, but to me the whole discussion also throws a sharp light on Javascript as a language (think performance). I think it&#8217;s more than time JS comes of age, and leaves the confines of the browsers and the scripting-the-browser-and-HTML cliche. I think everything available (Seamonkey, Rhino, &#8230;) is not entirely convincing (with JScript maybe a notable exception). We want JIT compilation and the ability to spawn muliple interpreter instances &#8211; from within JS code. We want module support in the language and a threading API. We want native implementations on various platforms that conform to the language spec, network and file I/O and the ability to develop and test code ouside of browsers. I&#8217;m fine with restricting JS in the browser, reducing it to a &#8216;jslet&#8217; type of platform. But I wish Brendan Eich would make the minimal provisions in the language to have all this infrastructure built upon. Which of the then possible enhancements will be implemented in or only outside the browser is left to another discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Nemeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Nemeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey anybody: performance?

When netscape server-side javascript was hyped, it proved to be slow as... [anything slower than a snail, or a statue]

10 years passed and what do we hear?

Javascript is good for the client, where it only has one instance (per application)... for the server... not surely.

It&#039;s good tt o maintain only one language, but straight javascript isn&#039;t necessarily the way... I prefer larger applications in javascript, with a JSON server backend (in anything)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey anybody: performance?</p>
<p>When netscape server-side javascript was hyped, it proved to be slow as&#8230; [anything slower than a snail, or a statue]</p>
<p>10 years passed and what do we hear?</p>
<p>Javascript is good for the client, where it only has one instance (per application)&#8230; for the server&#8230; not surely.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good tt o maintain only one language, but straight javascript isn&#8217;t necessarily the way&#8230; I prefer larger applications in javascript, with a JSON server backend (in anything)</p>
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		<title>By: pennyfx54</title>
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		<dc:creator>pennyfx54</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I donâ€™t understand why you would want to ever run javascript on the server side. 

You can already do anything you want with PHP, ASP.NET, Ruby, C++ etc on the server side. You have no limitations. You have ultimate control over the HTML on the server.

Plus, Anything dynamic on the client still has to be done on the client, otherwise you end up with a postback, hence the entire reason for javascript and AJAX. 

?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donâ€™t understand why you would want to ever run javascript on the server side. </p>
<p>You can already do anything you want with PHP, ASP.NET, Ruby, C++ etc on the server side. You have no limitations. You have ultimate control over the HTML on the server.</p>
<p>Plus, Anything dynamic on the client still has to be done on the client, otherwise you end up with a postback, hence the entire reason for javascript and AJAX. </p>
<p>?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Roussey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Roussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just need to get it running using FastCGI...</description>
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		<title>By: Mikael Bergkvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikael Bergkvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 06:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you, and I respect what you say, I just want to make sure I got my point across right, and then I&#039;ll be on my way. ;-)
First, I AM talking about running the DOM + CSS access on the serverside and not *only* JavaScript, second, widgetplus is also publically a consumable API, third, it&#039;s also something that blends well with other languages.
The &#039;support of the big guys&#039; part is a bit suspicious to me as an argument, since it usually just means &#039;all markets belong to the existing big guys and everyone else is shut out&#039; and that&#039;s just plain wrong.
However, I&#039;m glad the approach gets further validation by the &#039;big guys&#039;, so that part is really cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, and I respect what you say, I just want to make sure I got my point across right, and then I&#8217;ll be on my way. ;-)<br />
First, I AM talking about running the DOM + CSS access on the serverside and not *only* JavaScript, second, widgetplus is also publically a consumable API, third, it&#8217;s also something that blends well with other languages.<br />
The &#8216;support of the big guys&#8217; part is a bit suspicious to me as an argument, since it usually just means &#8216;all markets belong to the existing big guys and everyone else is shut out&#8217; and that&#8217;s just plain wrong.<br />
However, I&#8217;m glad the approach gets further validation by the &#8216;big guys&#8217;, so that part is really cool.</p>
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		<title>By: iMarc</title>
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		<dc:creator>iMarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mikael: People have done JavaScript on the server before, but this is the first publicly consumable server-side JavaScript API that I have seen.  You need the documentation, screencasts, pretty packaging and support from the big guys to really put fire under a project.  The Aptana team has done a great job of that.

The fact that it can run in conjunction with Apache makes me excited.  If they figure out how to get this to run side-by-side with other languages (like PHP) to leverage existing frameworks then I think this project could add to my career right out of the hopper.  I would have the missing link for writing killer Ajax components on top of current applications.

@Dion: Thank you for the screencast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mikael: People have done JavaScript on the server before, but this is the first publicly consumable server-side JavaScript API that I have seen.  You need the documentation, screencasts, pretty packaging and support from the big guys to really put fire under a project.  The Aptana team has done a great job of that.</p>
<p>The fact that it can run in conjunction with Apache makes me excited.  If they figure out how to get this to run side-by-side with other languages (like PHP) to leverage existing frameworks then I think this project could add to my career right out of the hopper.  I would have the missing link for writing killer Ajax components on top of current applications.</p>
<p>@Dion: Thank you for the screencast.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Bergkvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikael Bergkvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is really the DOM on the server that is the big innovation.&quot;

Depends how you define &#039;innovation&#039;, we have used it for several years over at widgetplus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is really the DOM on the server that is the big innovation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Depends how you define &#8216;innovation&#8217;, we have used it for several years over at widgetplus.</p>
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		<title>By: geekfreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekfreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only looking at this as &#039;javascript&#039; on the server misses a big part of the coolness. It is really the DOM on the server that is the big innovation. 

@thomas. never been able to code the app i want in only gwt, always end up in javascript land somewhere, same for rails and scriptaculous.
but you are right about the impedance caused by crossing the language boundary from server to client.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only looking at this as &#8216;javascript&#8217; on the server misses a big part of the coolness. It is really the DOM on the server that is the big innovation. </p>
<p>@thomas. never been able to code the app i want in only gwt, always end up in javascript land somewhere, same for rails and scriptaculous.<br />
but you are right about the impedance caused by crossing the language boundary from server to client.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everything has happened before and will happen again&quot; - Old Cylon in BSG Razor

Yes and we called it classic ASP using JScript :-)    Before that Netscape Livewire, etc.

Actually this is a good idea and is no different in some ways than pushing Java everywhere as GWT does but without the translation.  Since browser languages are somewhat non-moveable it does spell some trouble for server languages that have a mismatch with JS, like strong typed -&gt; weak typed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everything has happened before and will happen again&#8221; &#8211; Old Cylon in BSG Razor</p>
<p>Yes and we called it classic ASP using JScript :-)    Before that Netscape Livewire, etc.</p>
<p>Actually this is a good idea and is no different in some ways than pushing Java everywhere as GWT does but without the translation.  Since browser languages are somewhat non-moveable it does spell some trouble for server languages that have a mismatch with JS, like strong typed -&gt; weak typed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Hartmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Hartmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, as soon as the IIS version comes out, I&#039;d be all over this.. I just need to find a host now, lol. I wonder... how would the system behave if you set something like ExtJS to &quot;both&quot; and tried to run it on the server... does it build the dom extras it needs on the server side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, as soon as the IIS version comes out, I&#8217;d be all over this.. I just need to find a host now, lol. I wonder&#8230; how would the system behave if you set something like ExtJS to &#8220;both&#8221; and tried to run it on the server&#8230; does it build the dom extras it needs on the server side?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Bergkvist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikael Bergkvist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, but it&#039;s all been done before</description>
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		<title>By: Uri</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/aptana-releases-jaxer-ajax-server-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1#comment-260734</link>
		<dc:creator>Uri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the in-depth review and the sample Twitter app, Dion. We&#039;re all about community participation, so we really hope people come up with cool ways to apply Jaxer.

@nathany and @peter svennson, the Linux version just needs a bit more testing before we set it free, look for it very soon. We chose to bundle Apache even though OS X has it because we&#039;d have had to ship multiple versions of mod_jaxer for various OS X platforms, and explain how to configure. Our aim was to ship a simple, self contained package you can just start up and go. We&#039;ll be making those platform-specific mod_jaxer modules available soon for people who want to use their own Apache.

@Liming, we very much want to have you an dthe rest of the IIS community on board! We&#039;ve already started working on the IIS adapter, and we&#039;re thinking of how it should fit within various IIS flows (like the .asmx web service flow you mentioned). What are your thoughts?

@jigs and @Liming: runat=&quot;server&quot; (and &quot;server-proxy and server-nocache&quot;) indeed will disappear from the page before it&#039;s sent to the client. The client will NEVER see that code unless you explicitly send it there, e.g. by making a script block or an individual function runat=&quot;both&quot; (or &quot;both-...&quot;, you get the idea) or &quot;client&quot;. Code you ask to run on both client and server will indeed be made available to both ;-).

And as for SQL Server, Oracle, and so many other integrations we&#039;ve been dreaming about and are now starting to look at: we&#039;re very much demand driven. &lt;b&gt;Please come join us&lt;/b&gt; on our &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.aptana.com/index.php?c=12&quot; title=&quot;Aptana Jaxer forums&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;community forums&lt;/a&gt;, and let&#039;s get the conversations going!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the in-depth review and the sample Twitter app, Dion. We&#8217;re all about community participation, so we really hope people come up with cool ways to apply Jaxer.</p>
<p>@nathany and @peter svennson, the Linux version just needs a bit more testing before we set it free, look for it very soon. We chose to bundle Apache even though OS X has it because we&#8217;d have had to ship multiple versions of mod_jaxer for various OS X platforms, and explain how to configure. Our aim was to ship a simple, self contained package you can just start up and go. We&#8217;ll be making those platform-specific mod_jaxer modules available soon for people who want to use their own Apache.</p>
<p>@Liming, we very much want to have you an dthe rest of the IIS community on board! We&#8217;ve already started working on the IIS adapter, and we&#8217;re thinking of how it should fit within various IIS flows (like the .asmx web service flow you mentioned). What are your thoughts?</p>
<p>@jigs and @Liming: runat=&#8221;server&#8221; (and &#8220;server-proxy and server-nocache&#8221;) indeed will disappear from the page before it&#8217;s sent to the client. The client will NEVER see that code unless you explicitly send it there, e.g. by making a script block or an individual function runat=&#8221;both&#8221; (or &#8220;both-&#8230;&#8221;, you get the idea) or &#8220;client&#8221;. Code you ask to run on both client and server will indeed be made available to both ;-).</p>
<p>And as for SQL Server, Oracle, and so many other integrations we&#8217;ve been dreaming about and are now starting to look at: we&#8217;re very much demand driven. <b>Please come join us</b> on our <a href="http://forums.aptana.com/index.php?c=12" title="Aptana Jaxer forums" rel="nofollow">community forums</a>, and let&#8217;s get the conversations going!</p>
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		<title>By: Liming</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/aptana-releases-jaxer-ajax-server-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1#comment-260732</link>
		<dc:creator>Liming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jigs, i don&#039;t think so, or else it will reveal too much. I wonder though, what about code that have runat=&quot;both&quot;?

Took a look, their server side has application, session, request, response, page and all that, got the full stack there. Too bad, SQL server 2000/2005 and Oracle is not yet there. Somebody fund this company and get them to release these adapters! 

API documentation is well done too. I wish though, they can write an adapter for IIS server to forward all .html request to Jaxer, or are the microsoft lovers like me not invited to the party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jigs, i don&#8217;t think so, or else it will reveal too much. I wonder though, what about code that have runat=&#8221;both&#8221;?</p>
<p>Took a look, their server side has application, session, request, response, page and all that, got the full stack there. Too bad, SQL server 2000/2005 and Oracle is not yet there. Somebody fund this company and get them to release these adapters! </p>
<p>API documentation is well done too. I wish though, they can write an adapter for IIS server to forward all .html request to Jaxer, or are the microsoft lovers like me not invited to the party?</p>
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		<title>By: nathany</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/aptana-releases-jaxer-ajax-server-built-on-mozilla/comment-page-1#comment-260731</link>
		<dc:creator>nathany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. It&#039;s about time this sort of solution came along! :-). Noted that it is still beta, some of the jQuery compatibility tests fail and such. Play-ready, not quite production ready.

With SQLite support suggested in HTML 5, with planned support in Firefox 3, as well as the Google Gears and Adobe AIR solutions, it looks like a good offline/online database wrapper is needed. If everything is JavaScript/HTML/CSS, the move between offline/online web could potentially be a lot smoother. Yay. This is exciting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. It&#8217;s about time this sort of solution came along! :-). Noted that it is still beta, some of the jQuery compatibility tests fail and such. Play-ready, not quite production ready.</p>
<p>With SQLite support suggested in HTML 5, with planned support in Firefox 3, as well as the Google Gears and Adobe AIR solutions, it looks like a good offline/online database wrapper is needed. If everything is JavaScript/HTML/CSS, the move between offline/online web could potentially be a lot smoother. Yay. This is exciting!</p>
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