Comments on: Atlas becomes: Microsoft AJAX Library and ASP.NET 2.0 AJAX Extensions

By: James

James — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 09:40:32 +0000

After using BETA 2, I’ve had no problems is great (except with opera). It integrates and performs flawlessly with our pre-existing code. We are still having problems with Opera, but this can be fixed by configuring the page to perform the old way and using post backs (which can be switched on and off when the script managers init event is raised). Although, I’m sure this will be fixed within the next release.

As for the people knocking .NET, a huge goal of ASP.NET was to make development quicker, more efficient and object oriented. I know javascript, I’ve coded AJAX apps; but why re-invent the wheel? 10 minutes vs. 2 hours…honestly, you’ve got to have better things to do with your time.

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By: Charlie Calvert

Charlie Calvert — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:19:02 +0000

As someone who used to knock Microsoft a lot, but who now works for the company, I have to say that many of the negative posters in this thread exemplify the mindset that finally made me change my mind about Microsoft. By being so relentlessly negative, and by never checking their facts, these people form a stark contrast to the Microsoft developers who work hard, and create solid API’s for the community to use. On the one hand there is technical competence, and on the other hand foolishness. It made the choice easy, which is why I now work at Microsoft.

By: Peter Vogel

Peter Vogel — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:52:01 +0000

Five minutes research on the Microsoft Atlas team’s blog would have shown that the team was researching the Opera incompatibilities months ago (they discovered that the casing they used in naming their assemblies was creating a problem, for instance). It appears they tackled the browsers in the order of popularity, which puts Opera and Safari last–not ignored but the needs of the majority of the users were tackled first.

The assumption that Atlas won’t be cross-platform is bigotry. Looking at the actual product (or comparing the compatibility issues in the April release–as documented at Musingis from Mars–vs. the compatibility issues in teh current release) would be a rational way of assessing how compatible the toolkit is but would require actual work.

By: Ad

Ad — Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:44:50 +0000

I love Atlas. I can’t wait for its first release.

By: Shawn Miller

Shawn Miller — Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:18:43 +0000

Fresh Logic Studios Scripts is an object oriented JavaScript framework with a programming model similar to the Microsoft .NET Framework.

We created this to help save us some time in developing our own products and didn’t feel it was fair to keep this work all to ourselves. Inside you’ll find JavaScript implementations for a small subset of the classes provided by the .NET Framework base class libraries.

Fresh Logic Studios Scripts is lightweight, weighing in just over 10KB. Download the library, view examples and documentation @ http://scripts.freshlogicstudios.com/

By: Paul

Paul — Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:06:27 +0000

I have to be honest, I was merrily learning Atlas along w/ the bulk of the ASP.Net community right up until the point where I saw Scott’s comment to the effect that they hadn’t been planning to support Opera a few weeks (months?) back. I immediately broke camp and started looking for another solution that *did* cover the Big Four, because I have customers who would like to keep that market segment.

So, while I generally like Microsoft and its productsI can’t help but hesitate over this news and *not* plan on using Atlas until I see the release and can test it myself and so on. Fool me once and all that.

By: The Sak

The Sak — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:26:41 +0000

Isn’t “cross browser” pretty much understood to mean IE/Opera/Firefox/Safari these days? At least when anybody but Microsoft says it?

Sheesh.

By: Shanku Niyogi

Shanku Niyogi — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:35:14 +0000

Since there’s been some confusion about the “100% cross-platform and cross-browser” comment – let me clarify where we are on that.

The Atlas 1.0 release will work with a broad variety of browsers on different platforms. We will specifically test it on the following browsers:

- Internet Explorer 5.5+
- Mozilla
- Safari
- Opera 9 (we don’t support this in the CTP today, but we are adding this before V1 release based on strong feedback)

This means that we will formally support (through product support) developers with issues that arise on these browsers.

We think this set of browsers is a reasonable start for V1, and represents the majority of browsers in use out there. We will continue look at adding support for other browsers depending on demand – if you have one you’d like to suggest, please let us know on the Atlas site, or by emailing me through my blog (www.shankun.com). Of course, we’ll continue to support new versions of the browsers above.

Due to some differences in browser implementations, some Atlas features may not work fully on all these browsers. For example, some of the browsers above do not support dynamic loading of scripts properly. We’ll have a page on our site that shows what features work (or don’t work) on each supported browser.

Thanks,
Shanku

By: The Hater

The Hater — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:55:09 +0000

“This endless pessimism toward MS is so 90â€™s.” – You mean like their browser?

I’ll stop insulting Microsoft when they stop making it so damn easy (and when they stop pissing me off so much).

They might as well advertise that nobody will ever break their technology’s security, and that their operating system works with every device ever made, right out of the box.

By: randy

randy — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:43:10 +0000

Another excuse for drag and droppers to not learn javascript / what they’re doing. The .net guys at my day job are sooo excited that ajax is finally here for them.

Scary days ahead for our customers.

By: Andi

Andi — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:37:18 +0000

Why don’t work those simple Tabs in the Atlas website in Opera 8.5 and 9?
Can somebody tell me why a standard compliant browser like Opera is not supported.

I ask you: Who will use this framework?

By: Will

Will — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:06:41 +0000

This endless pessimism toward MS is so 90′s. Do you think they are this massive institution of evil doers or something? The Atlas team is developers just like us who happened to get a job there instead of somewhere else. Why would they not want Atlas to be compatible?

By: Johan SundstrÃ¶m

Johan SundstrÃ¶m — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:00:33 +0000

Yes, we’ll of course be 100% cross, browser and platform. In marketing terms, 100% could map to 100% of as yet undisclosed target browser + platform combinations, for instance two or three distinct picks that would fit a suitable market share at the time.

By: Michael

Michael — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:57:22 +0000

Does anyone have the ability to not be negative towards anything Microsoft does anymore? I always see comments that pretty much go to the extent of saying Microsoft NEVER does what they say they’re going to do, but I rarely see evidence.

So far, Atlas has done a pretty good job of being cross-browser…why wouldn’t it be in the end? Personally, I think the team they have working on the framework is quite capable of making it cross-browser.

I’m excited, just like many of other Javascript Libraries/Frameworks, to see the final 1.0 release.

By: mdm-adph

mdm-adph — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:48:44 +0000

I, for one, welcome our new Microsoft AJAX Overlords. As part of their Master plan, I am here to assist everyone in accepting this new Microsoft AJAX, or “MJAXScript#”, as it will be hereafter be called.

By: Olly Hodgson

Olly Hodgson — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:13:11 +0000

This will work with any browser, and also support any backend web server

It’s a good start, but is it unobtrusive? Does it follow the Hijax methodology?

[Same question to all of the other libraries out there too]

By: The Hater

The Hater — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:14:40 +0000

“This will work with any browser, and also support any backend web server…”

“It will be 100% cross-browser and cross-platform.”

Sweet! Let me get my Solaris lynx port ready.

F**king idiots.

By: Morgan Knicely

Morgan Knicely — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:32:07 +0000

I don’t really believe it either. It’s great that they’re *saying* so, but in the end the waterfall development culture at MS will cause cross-browser support to be dropped. They’ll be too busy chasing bugs with their IE support, given that IE7 doesn’t address JavaScript issues in the engine.

By: Dean Edwards

Dean Edwards — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:03:20 +0000

> It will be 100% cross-browser and cross-platform.

They don’t really mean that do they?