Comments on: Drawter: Visual Web based HTML tool

By: belgi

belgi — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0000

I think this is great page for those who write all html code by him self like I do.

By: starkraving

starkraving — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:33:10 +0000

I’m about 95% of the way through developing our visual website builder, and it’s definitely a time-saver, so I would say that with the right system there’s a real use for this kind of tool. The fact that we can visually design standards-based, search-engine optimized, XHTML/CSS pages and turn our customer’s sites over in a few hours, plus leave them with a system that they can maintain afterwards, is a real benefit.

By: RobRobRob

RobRobRob — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:10:20 +0000

things change.. the WWW was also just intended to link particle physics papers together with hypertext. a simple document with links would be easy to be all WYSIWIG but I hardly imagine Tim imagined HTML being used in the ways it now is.
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He didn’t invent CSS or advanced layouts. He set up a great base which all sorts of developers/designers have pushed the limits of his ideas.
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Point being, I don’t think that the quote justifies WYSIWYG’s, it just shows that his original vision was limited. He seems to be speaking about the average person who wants to publish hypertext data, not developers creating complex layouts.

By: mhart

mhart — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:15:34 +0000

Sorry, I forgot the citation: Tim Berners-Lee from his book “Weaving the Web”

By: mhart

mhart — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:14:25 +0000

Actually, frenchStudent, HTML was never intended to be coded by humans.

I never intended HTML source code (the stuff with the angle brackets) to be seen by users. A browser/editor would let a user simply view or edit the language of a page of hypertext, as if he were using a word processor. The idea of asking people to write the angle brackets by hand was to me, and I assumed to many, as unacceptable as asking one to prepare a Microsoft Word document by writing out its binary coded format.

By: frenchStudent

frenchStudent — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:08:42 +0000

Am I the only one considering that wysiwyg is never gonna make us save that much time ? Html and css are powerful _languages_, and languages are meant for humans.

By: mauvecargo

mauvecargo — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:14:03 +0000

Yes I agree, this is old but works somewhat fine. Otherwise, I have some problems when using the webapp under Firefox 3 like closing the box details, it does not work often enough.

By: vsync

vsync — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:11:10 +0000

But this isn’t news…this is old :)