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		<title>By: vkelman</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-272502</link>
		<dc:creator>vkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be no easy way to submit IE8 feedback / bug report. I guess they are overwhelmed with errors :(
https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback page is displayed until you login with Windows Live account, but cannot be found after login... very unfriendly environment.

I&#039;m aware of two bugs / non-standard behaviors, one lasts since IE6 or even 5:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://pro-thoughts.blogspot.com/2006/10/incorrect-behavior-of-windowonblur.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Incorrect behavior of window.onblur event under IE and a workaround&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.west-wind.com/Weblog/posts/677442.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Internet Explorer Global Variable Blow ups&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be no easy way to submit IE8 feedback / bug report. I guess they are overwhelmed with errors :(<br />
<a href="https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback" rel="nofollow">https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback</a> page is displayed until you login with Windows Live account, but cannot be found after login&#8230; very unfriendly environment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware of two bugs / non-standard behaviors, one lasts since IE6 or even 5:</p>
<p><a href="http://pro-thoughts.blogspot.com/2006/10/incorrect-behavior-of-windowonblur.html" rel="nofollow">Incorrect behavior of window.onblur event under IE and a workaround</a><br />
<a href="http://www.west-wind.com/Weblog/posts/677442.aspx" rel="nofollow">Internet Explorer Global Variable Blow ups</a></p>
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		<title>By: vicury</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-272490</link>
		<dc:creator>vicury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite honestly, ever since I tried IE7, I began to hate IE, even though it used to be my browser of choice. In my opinion IE7 was the worst browser ever, but I was wrong: after I tried IE8, I realized that 7 wasn&#039;t the worst, IE8 is! I am a web developer, so it is part of my job to be testing our web applications in IE. It is absolutely terrible! Hangs every time you launch it. Slows down all other applications. Disappointment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite honestly, ever since I tried IE7, I began to hate IE, even though it used to be my browser of choice. In my opinion IE7 was the worst browser ever, but I was wrong: after I tried IE8, I realized that 7 wasn&#8217;t the worst, IE8 is! I am a web developer, so it is part of my job to be testing our web applications in IE. It is absolutely terrible! Hangs every time you launch it. Slows down all other applications. Disappointment!</p>
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		<title>By: maximeguilbot</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-262817</link>
		<dc:creator>maximeguilbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about a Firebug for IE8?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about a Firebug for IE8?</p>
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		<title>By: JonathanLeech</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-262741</link>
		<dc:creator>JonathanLeech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone actually downloaded and ran the IE8 beta? It can&#039;t properly render anything, standards or not. It doesn&#039;t do google maps, it doesn&#039;t even do Microsoft&#039;s maps or many of the other web properties. It&#039;s a complete joke, more like pre-alpha. Microsoft is trying to put the impetus on developers to make their sites compatible with it, it seems like their shifting the focus and the blame to the developers of web sites to make their sites compatible with it, sort of a preemptive strike on their part. The issue isn&#039;t one of standards compliance, right now it&#039;s basic functionality of their renderer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone actually downloaded and ran the IE8 beta? It can&#8217;t properly render anything, standards or not. It doesn&#8217;t do google maps, it doesn&#8217;t even do Microsoft&#8217;s maps or many of the other web properties. It&#8217;s a complete joke, more like pre-alpha. Microsoft is trying to put the impetus on developers to make their sites compatible with it, it seems like their shifting the focus and the blame to the developers of web sites to make their sites compatible with it, sort of a preemptive strike on their part. The issue isn&#8217;t one of standards compliance, right now it&#8217;s basic functionality of their renderer.</p>
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		<title>By: GregHouston</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-262725</link>
		<dc:creator>GregHouston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bertand: It&#039;s a business email address, just like a business phone number. It&#039;s one thing to publish someone&#039;s personal gmail address and quite another to publish their myname@mybusiness.com address.
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They may need to host a seminar for their &quot;MVP&quot;s first to explain what standards mode, quirks mode, doctypes, and standards in general are before the &quot;MVP&quot;s can respond to an email such as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bertand: It&#8217;s a business email address, just like a business phone number. It&#8217;s one thing to publish someone&#8217;s personal gmail address and quite another to publish their <a href="mailto:myname@mybusiness.com">myname@mybusiness.com</a> address.<br />
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They may need to host a seminar for their &#8220;MVP&#8221;s first to explain what standards mode, quirks mode, doctypes, and standards in general are before the &#8220;MVP&#8221;s can respond to an email such as this.</p>
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		<title>By: BertrandLeRoy</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-262724</link>
		<dc:creator>BertrandLeRoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it a little rude to publicly publish somebody&#039;s e-mail address without their consent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it a little rude to publicly publish somebody&#8217;s e-mail address without their consent?</p>
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		<title>By: Tomba</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-262719</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am very much looking forward to finally a more standards focused IE, I would very much appreciate that IE would release their final version to all windows users and without the genuine advantage check. Quite honestly, the movement to IE7 has proved to go far too slow and lessons should be learned from that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am very much looking forward to finally a more standards focused IE, I would very much appreciate that IE would release their final version to all windows users and without the genuine advantage check. Quite honestly, the movement to IE7 has proved to go far too slow and lessons should be learned from that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about forgetting this &quot;Standards Mode&quot; and just aiming for &quot;Interoperable-With-Modern-Browsers Mode&quot;.

Yes we want standards mode, but not some kind of fantasy standards mode where everything is broken. Opacity doesn&#039;t work. At all. Overflow is buggy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about forgetting this &#8220;Standards Mode&#8221; and just aiming for &#8220;Interoperable-With-Modern-Browsers Mode&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes we want standards mode, but not some kind of fantasy standards mode where everything is broken. Opacity doesn&#8217;t work. At all. Overflow is buggy.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokinn</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/getting-feedback-to-the-ie-8-team/comment-page-1#comment-262700</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow the english in that questionnaire is terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow the english in that questionnaire is terrible.</p>
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