Comments on: Give Safari some love http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 17 May 2012 07:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: mingsai http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-261965 mingsai Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:56:25 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-261965 I really think that Safari could be a winner. The browser is the best performer in the market. I see one thing lacking -the many cool features one gets when opening up the process for add-ins from 3rd party developers. Without the developer support this product will not make it off the launch pad. The main feature that is missing is full support for chinese (unicode) fonts. One of the best add-ins from Firefox that I leverage is the Chineseperakun add-in which supports on the fly translations of chinese characters which are moused over. A relatively straight forward implementation of divs and language conversion software that is totally inaccessible to one when using Safari ... Wonder if one can build an app that will work in Safari to link in google gears? I fear opportunity to make an impact is slipping away... I really think that Safari could be a winner. The browser is the best performer in the market. I see one thing lacking -the many cool features one gets when opening up the process for add-ins from 3rd party developers. Without the developer support this product will not make it off the launch pad.

The main feature that is missing is full support for chinese (unicode) fonts. One of the best add-ins from Firefox that I leverage is the Chineseperakun add-in which supports on the fly translations of chinese characters which are moused over. A relatively straight forward implementation of divs and language conversion software that is totally inaccessible to one when using Safari …

Wonder if one can build an app that will work in Safari to link in google gears?

I fear opportunity to make an impact is slipping away…

]]> By: Kunstforum http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-261507 Kunstforum Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:12:09 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-261507 Thanks for this really useful article.Great cheat sheet, I appreciate it very much. Thanks for this really useful article.Great cheat sheet, I appreciate it very much.

]]> By: PhilippSwiss http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-260261 PhilippSwiss Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:12:30 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-260261 We use OS X in our acency and I think it is a great OS but Safari is definitely not may favourite. We use Contenido to update our homepage and Safari is just causing problems so I use Firefox. We use OS X in our acency and I think it is a great OS but Safari is definitely not may favourite. We use Contenido to update our homepage and Safari is just causing problems so I use Firefox.

]]> By: Apotheke http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-257456 Apotheke Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:21:47 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-257456 Thanks for very interesting article. btw. I really enjoyed reading all of your posts. It’s interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else’s point of view… makes you think more. It’s really good written and I fully agree with You on main issue, btw. I must say that I really enjoyed reading all of Your posts. It’s interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else’s point of view… Thanks for very interesting article. btw. I really enjoyed reading all of your posts. It’s interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else’s point of view… makes you think more. It’s really good written and I fully agree with You on main issue, btw. I must say that I really enjoyed reading all of Your posts. It’s interesting to read ideas, and observations from someone else’s point of view…

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]]> By: fingerprint http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-253970 fingerprint Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:53:08 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-253970 Thanks for sharing! Thanks for sharing!

]]> By: 搬屋公司 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-253737 搬屋公司 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:21:54 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-253737 it’s a good idea and i like it very much it’s a good idea and i like it very much

]]> By: wow powerleveling http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-250681 wow powerleveling Tue, 22 May 2007 00:51:07 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-250681 it's a good idea and i like it very much it’s a good idea and i like it very much

]]> By: wow power leveling http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-250680 wow power leveling Tue, 22 May 2007 00:50:05 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-250680 My lord! What a bunch of whiny developers this thread has brought out of the woodwork! Personally I don’t get how developers hell bent on creating standards based sites quibble over support for Safari My lord! What a bunch of whiny developers this thread has brought out of the woodwork! Personally I don’t get how developers hell bent on creating standards based sites quibble over support for Safari

]]> By: maxael http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-160383 maxael Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:00:00 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-160383 The solution is simple, and was forseen by the folks developing Firefox: Apple will integrate Firefox. Macs are becoming the boutique platform for technophiles world-round! The have the most elegant UI, the savant user base, and a unix interface to the core system... what more could a cpu-enthusiast want for their laptop? what? I'll tell you... for every webapp produced in the coming onslaught to work, and work correctly! Watch carefully as Mozilla takes over the developer squadrons... then migrates to email-distributable packages, then becomes the auto-browser, then is everywhere via viral-like spreading techniques. You see, what makes the virus powerful is the fact is isn't technically alive (aka. able to survive where none of the 'intelligent' can) so it can spread in environments not suited to typical organic lifeforms... isn't this the niche Apple sought to thrive in from the beginning? Remember the hammer? I suppose we'll see how things turn out :) The solution is simple, and was forseen by the folks developing Firefox: Apple will integrate Firefox. Macs are becoming the boutique platform for technophiles world-round! The have the most elegant UI, the savant user base, and a unix interface to the core system… what more could a cpu-enthusiast want for their laptop? what? I’ll tell you… for every webapp produced in the coming onslaught to work, and work correctly! Watch carefully as Mozilla takes over the developer squadrons… then migrates to email-distributable packages, then becomes the auto-browser, then is everywhere via viral-like spreading techniques. You see, what makes the virus powerful is the fact is isn’t technically alive (aka. able to survive where none of the ‘intelligent’ can) so it can spread in environments not suited to typical organic lifeforms… isn’t this the niche Apple sought to thrive in from the beginning? Remember the hammer? I suppose we’ll see how things turn out :)

]]> By: All About Web Technologies » Browser Warfare, Supporting Safari, and the Future of Macs http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-33170 All About Web Technologies » Browser Warfare, Supporting Safari, and the Future of Macs Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:04:26 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-33170 [...] Leland Scott from Musings From Mars has a couple posts highlighting the never ending browser debates, in particular the Safari issue we have covered before. [...] [...] Leland Scott from Musings From Mars has a couple posts highlighting the never ending browser debates, in particular the Safari issue we have covered before. [...]

]]> By: pdecoursey http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-26278 pdecoursey Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:04:19 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-26278 Maybe I write bad code but I have never had any issues coding for safari, and I usually wait until the last minute to test in safari. What are the specific issues? Maybe I write bad code but I have never had any issues coding for safari, and I usually wait until the last minute to test in safari. What are the specific issues?

]]> By: Computer Software | Graphic & Web Design | Multimedia http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-25444 Computer Software | Graphic & Web Design | Multimedia Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:53:36 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-25444 [...] Leland Scott from Musings From Mars has a couple posts highlighting the never ending browser debates, in particular the Safari issue we have covered before. [...] [...] Leland Scott from Musings From Mars has a couple posts highlighting the never ending browser debates, in particular the Safari issue we have covered before. [...]

]]> By: Phill Kenoyer http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-19942 Phill Kenoyer Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:07:05 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-19942 Still nobody has answered my question. What is wrong with Safari? What is broken or whatever. I've been writing web sites for years for Safari and I have never ran into any problems. And yes, lots of Javascript and AJAX stuff. The only browser that I ever have problems with is MSIE. Still nobody has answered my question. What is wrong with Safari? What is broken or whatever.

I’ve been writing web sites for years for Safari and I have never ran into any problems. And yes, lots of Javascript and AJAX stuff.

The only browser that I ever have problems with is MSIE.

]]> By: Stephen Stchur http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-15231 Stephen Stchur Sat, 27 May 2006 01:40:52 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-15231 It's not that web developers need to support Safari. Safari needs to support web developers. Apple needs to ensure that its browser follows javascript standards more closely. Rather than forcing web developers to accomodate how their browser works. They should update their browser to work with how web developers already develop! (It's in their best interest) It’s not that web developers need to support Safari. Safari needs to support web developers.

Apple needs to ensure that its browser follows javascript standards more closely. Rather than forcing web developers to accomodate how their browser works. They should update their browser to work with how web developers already develop! (It’s in their best interest)

]]> By: Makki Studios » Blog Archive » Give Safari some love http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-14846 Makki Studios » Blog Archive » Give Safari some love Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:51 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-14846 [...] Read full editorial here Ajaxian.com [...] [...] Read full editorial here Ajaxian.com [...]

]]> By: Panasonic Youth » Blog Archive » Browser bugs - onblur and onfocus with IFrames http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-13050 Panasonic Youth » Blog Archive » Browser bugs - onblur and onfocus with IFrames Tue, 23 May 2006 07:04:28 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-13050 [...] Totally simple, and if you have hit this snag its probably second nature. The first time, though, its pretty painful. And of course, this still doesn't work in Safari. [...] [...] Totally simple, and if you have hit this snag its probably second nature. The first time, though, its pretty painful. And of course, this still doesn’t work in Safari. [...]

]]> By: Tom http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-12807 Tom Mon, 22 May 2006 19:30:26 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-12807 @Leland Scott You're telling all these JavaScript developers that they don't know what they're talking about? Give me a break. CSS != JavaScript by the way. I'm all for browsers passing the ACID test, but if there was a JSACID test, Safari would fail. IE probably would too, but Safari is a big mistake on Apple's part, and they would get a lot of positive feedback if they put their efforts into FireFox instead. @Leland Scott
You’re telling all these JavaScript developers that they don’t know what they’re talking about? Give me a break. CSS != JavaScript by the way. I’m all for browsers passing the ACID test, but if there was a JSACID test, Safari would fail. IE probably would too, but Safari is a big mistake on Apple’s part, and they would get a lot of positive feedback if they put their efforts into FireFox instead.

]]> By: Tom http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-12805 Tom Mon, 22 May 2006 19:26:36 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-12805 @Leland Scott @Leland Scott

]]> By: Poncho http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love/comment-page-2#comment-11772 Poncho Sun, 21 May 2006 03:36:16 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/give-safari-some-love#comment-11772 I gotta say I'm pretty annoyed by this. Although I'm a professional web developer and I use FireFox on my Mac (mainly for the developer related extensions), Safari IS still the default browser on a Mac and I use it dailly. For the average Mac user, Safari is the default browser for a reason, so that is the browser they use. It is also the third most widely used browser right now. Ok, it does have it's annoyances and incompatiblities, but instead of dropping support for it (or in some cases just barring access based on the user agent), we (the collective of web developers) should be actively supporting the development of Web Kit and submitting bugs when encountered. You can hope and wish Apple will ditch Safari and make Firefox the default browser, but that is not going to make it happen. Remember that Web Kit was (eventually) made [properly] Open Source after the KHTML team complained that Apple were taking what they wanted from the Open Source community without giving back. I doubt very much that Apple would ditch it especially since Safari isn't the only Apple application running Web Kit, other such applications are Mail & Dashboard. To sum up: Most of these "Web Toolkits" and "Frameworks" are already having to cater to multiple rendering engines, javascript interpreters and XMLHttpRequest methods. DEAL WITH IT, we're lucky that there are three main browsers that are pretty closely matched for the most part, there is no NetScape 4 to worry about anymore! Cheers; Poncho I gotta say I’m pretty annoyed by this. Although I’m a professional web developer and I use FireFox on my Mac (mainly for the developer related extensions), Safari IS still the default browser on a Mac and I use it dailly. For the average Mac user, Safari is the default browser for a reason, so that is the browser they use. It is also the third most widely used browser right now.

Ok, it does have it’s annoyances and incompatiblities, but instead of dropping support for it (or in some cases just barring access based on the user agent), we (the collective of web developers) should be actively supporting the development of Web Kit and submitting bugs when encountered.

You can hope and wish Apple will ditch Safari and make Firefox the default browser, but that is not going to make it happen. Remember that Web Kit was (eventually) made [properly] Open Source after the KHTML team complained that Apple were taking what they wanted from the Open Source community without giving back. I doubt very much that Apple would ditch it especially since Safari isn’t the only Apple application running Web Kit, other such applications are Mail & Dashboard.

To sum up: Most of these “Web Toolkits” and “Frameworks” are already having to cater to multiple rendering engines, javascript interpreters and XMLHttpRequest methods. DEAL WITH IT, we’re lucky that there are three main browsers that are pretty closely matched for the most part, there is no NetScape 4 to worry about anymore!

Cheers;
Poncho

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