Comments on: Google Chrome, Chromium, and V8

By: netcodegenerator

netcodegenerator — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:45:32 +0000

Yes,The scripting differences have been a kill for us

By: asimplehandle

asimplehandle — Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:37:30 +0000

we have had so much trouble with chrome’s javascript execution model

By: Tecsisa

Tecsisa — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:04:15 +0000

How to debug in Google Chrome (article in Spanish)

Since Google Chrome documentation about debuging is still to come and Google Chome doesn’t have a Firebug extension, I just wrote a short article explaining how to use the different tools “for developers”
available in Google Chrome.

Please take a look at the artilcle (Pictures are self explanatory, but
text is in Spanish)

“Depurar Aplicaciones y Páginas Web con Google Chrome”
http://www.tecsisa.com/index.igw?item=1608

I would be glad to add, edit or do changes as information arrives, so
feel free to give feedback.

Javier

By: Billigflug

Billigflug — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:50:11 +0000

@rethinker. Could you specify when exactly it´s faster? Are there any recommended settings? Well it looks awesome and the discribed comperison is nice:) So you all agree to give it a try?

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:32:17 +0000

@shadedecho,
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If it works everywhere but in Chrome, submit it as a bug.
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http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95760
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I do something similar, but I never thought of doing it as you are doing it.

By: shadedecho

shadedecho — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 04:48:22 +0000

I wish someone could explain to me why this great V8 engine chokes on this simple code:
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(function blah() {
test = setTimeout(blah,25);
})();
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My open source projects use that pattern *alot* and almost every instance of it in my code fails with a “ReferenceError” on the setTimeout line saying that the “blah” function is undefined. However, “blah” is the currently executing function!

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:08:54 +0000

Brendan,
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I try to read everything you say, so keep talking. But yeah, Google’s use of the comic book was incredibly helpful for the buzz it created.

By: ThomasHansen

ThomasHansen — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:49:51 +0000

@Brendan
Go dude…! :)
How much I think that Chrome can reach those last piece of IE6 (and maybe even IE users in total) and thereby making my life actually physically far better. I still cheer for you guys ;)
And I really hope that this is “not it” in regards to the Fox…

By: BrendanEich

BrendanEich — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:47:17 +0000

Dion, FYI the breakthrough of hidden classes is not distinct to V8. SpiderMonkey has had the property tree for something like six years, and shape-based polymorphic caching (need to blog about this in detail, Mason made a good try but it's a deep topic) since Firefox 3 (early this year). Guess I need a new PR agency -- no one did a comic book when I sweated these details a year or six ago :-P. /be

By: Joeri

Joeri — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:55:47 +0000

@Nosredna
I do think it’s rough around the edges, yes, and I think they need to make it a good browser for the end user before they make it a good browser for the developer. I also think that developers aren’t going to sit in chrome like they sit in firefox, even with a better debugger, due to the lack of add-ons. Firebug by itself is nice, but I combine it with a number of different add-ons: yslow, firephp, remove cookies for this site, html validator, and a few other ones. Even if google made the debugger a priority, they wouldn’t outshine the full firefox dev environment without a lot of community involvement.
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I think you also overestimate the influence of a good debugger on browser support. Coming from the corporate environment I’ll tell you that the primary driver for which browsers to support is which browsers are installed at the customer. In practice, we’re talking about IE, and a sprinkling of firefox. What chrome needs for corporate adoption is support for group policies for central management, msi for central deployment and ntlm for single authentication. It’s got ntlm support, but its installer and update mechanism are unacceptable for corporate use, and I have no idea how well it blends with group policies. Without corporate marketshare, it’s not going to see much support in commercial web apps, regardless of how much developers like it.

By: erikweibust

erikweibust — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:22:27 +0000

I’d like to know how Chrome is handling processes and tabs. Right now I have 76 open tabs. Chrome is using 22 processes to run those tabs. The comic/documentation made it sound like each tab would run in it’s own process.

Has anybody found specific documentation on this?

By: ThomasHansen

ThomasHansen — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:17:29 +0000

HEre’s another one about the “whys”;
http://ra-ajax.org/google-chrome-and-why-google-built-it.blog

By: ThomasHansen

ThomasHansen — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:11:30 +0000

[shameless_plug]
To all those with problems getting their sites/libraries working with Chrome you might want to read this; http://ra-ajax.org/google-chrome-ajax-the-open-web-and-open-standards.blog
[shameless_plug]
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Now when that’s said I *think* that this is GREAT news, and obviously something G will focus a LOT on (saw it on their landing page at google.com for download among other things)
I just hope it stays in the spirit of the Open Web and don’t creates a lot of EEE features…
This can be the “make it or break it” time in history for both G and the Open Web…

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:10:48 +0000

>>I suspect that they plan to improve the GUI for this feature later on, and it’s not where they should put their priorities imho.
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I’m curious. Why do you think that? I think part of Firefox’s recent success comes directly from the fact that developers tend to “sit” in Firefox because of Firebug. Thanks to Firebug, every other browser becomes a “port” or a nuisance.
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If Chrome ends up with a better debugger than Firefox, then it will become “home” to the developer. That’s the only way programmers will be interested in supporting its extras.
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Do you think that the debugger is low priority because Chrome has done such a good job of working so well on so many sites (very impressive).
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Or are you thinking that it’s a bit rough around the edges in general and really needs to come up to speed for the user before the developer is accommodated? (For example I’m in Chrome now. It’s telling me to correct “accomodated,” via red squigglies, but there’s no alternative suggested when I right-click. Also, if I hit the back arrow a bunch of times, Chrome just friggin’ disappears!)

By: Joeri

Joeri — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:51:39 +0000

You can type help on the debugger console to get more info, and yes you can set breakpoints. I suspect that they plan to improve the GUI for this feature later on, and it’s not where they should put their priorities imho.

Their page load profiler tool is pretty buggy also, but it shows promise.

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:26:15 +0000

Oh crap never mind. I guess I hadn’t REALLY looked through the menus.
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Yeah, that’s crap alright. Can you set a breakpoint?

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:22:44 +0000

>>Firebug for Firefox is decent but Chrome’s debugger is awful.
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How do you run Chrome’s debugger? I’ve been using Firebug Lite in it.

By: alexbf

alexbf — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:38:31 +0000

Excellent browser but a lot of AJAX sites will have to adapt. The bad thing about it is that it lacks a good javascript debugger. Firebug for Firefox is decent but Chrome’s debugger is awful. I hope they improve that part in the next version to help AJAX developers.

By: V1

V1 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:59:03 +0000

A good, or bad part ( depends how u see it)
Is that chrome updates the browser SILENT, this means people can not stop the update.. Some people will hate that, but us developers will not have to struggle wit out of date browsers?

http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95414&query=update&topic=&type=

By: Spir

Spir — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:49:09 +0000

What about privacy? Ads & co.
Did you guys read the licence?