Comments on: GWT team Wave’s goodbye to annoying question; It’s the API stupid

By: bruceAtGoogle

bruceAtGoogle — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:13:15 +0000

@waw325: GWT actually doesn't try to hide javascript unless you want it to; there's a continuum all the way down. You can use JSNI to implement Java native methods using handwritten JavaScript, and you can create JavaScript overlay types that map JS types onto Java classes, including the W3C DOM types. Wave uses both of these features. In other words, they use GWT for productivity and optimizations, not as a way to escape a deep understanding of the browser. When js/dom/html/css experts use GWT, the results are particularly good.

By: waw325

waw325 — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:35:22 +0000

The fact that they used GWT was surprising to me. I just haven’t been able to trust any of the abstraction layers that completely hide javascript. Anyone know if any other major ajax applications are using gwt?

Aside: I really enjoy reading comments from people who don’t have the time to watch a presentation on the technology that they are about to tell people not to use. Adds so much to the conversation.

By: sixtyseconds

sixtyseconds — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:53:34 +0000

@homme – ah, if my consultancy could just make money from such frivolous sooth-saying :D

By: HommeDeJava

HommeDeJava — Fri, 29 May 2009 21:47:18 +0000

I’m curious about the Comet support of this application… It seems to be the famous Websocket HTML 5 with streaming not long polling.

However, such technology requires a lot of power on the server’s side. Google is probably also using sophisticated compression techniques.

GWT + Comet is the future of the Web…

By: tercero12

tercero12 — Fri, 29 May 2009 21:26:10 +0000

@genericallyloud – That’s what I needed to hear. I didn’t have time to watch the whole video. This does make me excited indeed. Thanks!

By: genericallyloud

genericallyloud — Fri, 29 May 2009 19:18:21 +0000

@tercero12, @travisalmand – I thought the same thing at first, but if you watch the entire demo, they do say that they plan on open sourcing almost everything so that you can run it from your own box. It can connect to other instances on other servers too.

According to http://www.waveprotocol.org: “Yes, that’s between wave providers: anyone can build a wave server and interoperate, much like anyone can run their own SMTP server. The wave protocol is open to contributions by the broader community with the goal to continue to improve how we share information, together.”

I mean, we’ll see what happens for real when it launches, but thats the claim.

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Fri, 29 May 2009 19:00:38 +0000

>>I don’t have much to add to the massive coverage that Wave has gotten today.

What massive coverage? This is the only place I’ve seen it today. For anyone else looking, http://wave.google.com/

By: travisalmand

travisalmand — Fri, 29 May 2009 13:22:29 +0000

My concern over this type of thing is the reliance on a third party for your own data. If you tie into Google too much then what do you do if Google suffers an outage for some reason? What do I tell my boss? That project isn’t done yet because Google is not responding and I have no freaking clue when they will?

I like the cloud concept but as long as I get to control my piece of the cloud on my server.

By: tercero12

tercero12 — Fri, 29 May 2009 13:06:38 +0000

Don’t sell out to Google! Seriously I love most of Google’s stuff…but it makes me a little nervous when the stuff we use regularly and critically can only run on Google. I have a gmail account, but I can get an email account at Yahoo, Windows Live (shudder), my ISP or many other hosting companies. If we all move to Wave (or build our apps on Google Apps or Google Wave) what happens when our socialist-leaning government decides that it has better uses for Google’s information or processes? Sure Google’s motto is “Don’t be evil” and that’s good, but they are not the only juggernaut in town that can lay claim to our personal and business-critical computing!

This is why open-source is good. Until I can install Wave on my own box, I’ll just sit back and watch thanks.