Comments on: HTML 5: Ian Hickson showing you features in browsers today!

By: tj111

tj111 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:12:09 +0000

By: ephraimhohn

ephraimhohn — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:05:56 +0000

@lux, if that is the case, then i like living under a rock. and i know a bunch of webdevs doing the same.

By: p3k

p3k — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:20:46 +0000

@Anne: Although I am aware of the concerns regarding XHTML, I just would like to know if “XHTML is dead” is kind of an official statement you are quoting or if it’s just your personal point of view.

The remark is confusing because the W3 subtitled its HTML5 specification “a vocabulary and associated APIs for HTML and XHTML”.

And for the irony: below this form I am currently writing in it says something about XHTML, too. The Ajaxian “dudes” living under a rock?

By: marcosc

marcosc — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:52:21 +0000

My comment above was to Aimos and edwinm, not Anne or lux.

By: marcosc

marcosc — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:34:26 +0000

In case you’ve all been living under a rock, XHTML is dead dudes. HTML actively discourages the use of XML on the Web. You might be the only two developers left using XHTML right now, and chances are you are probably using it wrong.

By: Anne van Kesteren

Anne van Kesteren — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:48:45 +0000

In the XML syntax of HTML5 (XHTML5) it would be either controls=”controls” or simply controls=”". In the HTML syntax you have valueless attributes (so just controls), similar to HTML4. Just some syntax sugar, nothing to get upset about :-)

By: lux

lux — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:56:22 +0000

Aimos, you’re right if you want to use these in an XHTML context, but HTML 5 is actually stemming off of HTML 4, not XHTML 1. In HTML 4, and so in 5 too, an attribute with no value is valid.

Historically speaking, HTML 5 is basically a fork of HTML since originally we were told XHTML 1 would be the next version of HTML, with all the “benefits” of XML (there are some, but it’s arguable that we’ve seen much of them in the context of browser rendering :). Now it’s not clear what the future of XHTML is at all, and HTML 5 is the new non-XML-conforming technology of the day… *sigh* ;)

By: edwinm

edwinm — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:11:43 +0000

Aimos, it’s even worse: if you type constrols=”false” or autoplay=”off”, then they’re still true/on! It’s an boolean attribute. Just like “checked” in a radio- or checkbox input element. So, will all existing code like be broken or are we introducing more inconsistency?

By: Aimos

Aimos — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:12:39 +0000

I just watched 3 minutes and I wonder, why they are invent again attributes of tags which are (help me if I am wrong) not correct xml. like

to be a valid file i gues swe have to write that later as controls=”controls” and autoplay=”autoplay” or so.