Comments on: IE 8: Better Ajax, CSS, DOM, and new features http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: alexanderhowell http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-267327 alexanderhowell Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:33:08 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-267327 Just got my app (just a mash-up of other people's widgets, really) working in Chrome and Firefox. Tested it in IE8. Windows hung. Browser crashed. There's this nice novel "debugging window" that looks like something from 1998 VBA, and has a lot of buttons that don't seem to do much. Right now it's silently killing all the jQuery AJAX requests, and not throwing any warnings or errors. Even lightbox is broken. This is how Microsoft deserve their legions of haters. It's even more depressing that I expected it to behave like that. Just got my app (just a mash-up of other people’s widgets, really) working in Chrome and Firefox.

Tested it in IE8.

Windows hung. Browser crashed.

There’s this nice novel “debugging window” that looks like something from 1998 VBA, and has a lot of buttons that don’t seem to do much.

Right now it’s silently killing all the jQuery AJAX requests, and not throwing any warnings or errors. Even lightbox is broken.

This is how Microsoft deserve their legions of haters. It’s even more depressing that I expected it to behave like that.

]]> By: diilbert http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261962 diilbert Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:55:45 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261962 Serious, first thing I did was point it at our newest development which is valid strict html and it complete broken the website. After reading through the developer documents I see nothing that should prevent it from rendering properly. My current solution (because I know ie8 will be crammed down our throat in the next 12 months) is the X-UA-Compatible meta tag, because there is no way I am going to spend a week debugged ANOTHER version of IE right now. Serious, first thing I did was point it at our newest development which is valid strict html and it complete broken the website. After reading through the developer documents I see nothing that should prevent it from rendering properly. My current solution (because I know ie8 will be crammed down our throat in the next 12 months) is the X-UA-Compatible meta tag, because there is no way I am going to spend a week debugged ANOTHER version of IE right now.

]]> By: kim3er http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261905 kim3er Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:53:17 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261905 @JeromeLapointe: I quite agree, but not everything is about innovation, sometimes it has to be about good business practice first. I endeavour to use a standards based approach whenever I work on a new project. At some point though, I will have to break the site to allow consistent look, feel and functionality across all main browsers at the time of release. There is something appealing (to me at least) about the idea that I can add a tag to a site that says "I work for these browsers and these browser versions". With the site tagged, I can rest assured that my site will work with every subsequent version of IE. It is then down to me as a developer to make sure I revisit the site often to keep the site fresh and innovative. It is also up to the user to make sure they are using the latest products. Working this way (I think) the Internet can progress more rapidly with less of the pain attributed to a new browser release. There is also scope to see the new meta tag as a means of graceful degradation, which is a concept that is synonymous with the web standards approach. I hope Mozilla, Opera & Webkit see fit to push for a standard in this area. @JeromeLapointe: I quite agree, but not everything is about innovation, sometimes it has to be about good business practice first.

I endeavour to use a standards based approach whenever I work on a new project. At some point though, I will have to break the site to allow consistent look, feel and functionality across all main browsers at the time of release. There is something appealing (to me at least) about the idea that I can add a tag to a site that says “I work for these browsers and these browser versions”. With the site tagged, I can rest assured that my site will work with every subsequent version of IE.

It is then down to me as a developer to make sure I revisit the site often to keep the site fresh and innovative. It is also up to the user to make sure they are using the latest products. Working this way (I think) the Internet can progress more rapidly with less of the pain attributed to a new browser release. There is also scope to see the new meta tag as a means of graceful degradation, which is a concept that is synonymous with the web standards approach. I hope Mozilla, Opera & Webkit see fit to push for a standard in this area.

]]> By: JeromeLapointe http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261899 JeromeLapointe Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:13:33 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261899 @kim3er You're right... I have nothing against browser trying to innovate... and maybe this tag is an innovation... but the concept of freezing a website in time is detrimental to innovation in itself... @kim3er
You’re right… I have nothing against browser trying to innovate… and maybe this tag is an innovation… but the concept of freezing a website in time is detrimental to innovation in itself…

]]> By: kim3er http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261882 kim3er Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:24:53 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261882 I don't see anything wrong with proprietary extentions. That's how we got Ajax. I don’t see anything wrong with proprietary extentions. That’s how we got Ajax.

]]> By: fuzzy76 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261881 fuzzy76 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:07:58 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261881 So, we are back at adding proprietary extensions now? Really great. So, we are back at adding proprietary extensions now? Really great.

]]> By: vale http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261880 vale Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:33:02 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261880 As predicted, the web got broken with the default IE8 mode. What worries me is that in order for the browser to be usable people will just switch to IE7 compatibility mode and forget switching back, hence we are going back to IE7 rendering again even for users that upgraded to IE8. Just look at the initial reaction of non developers. BTW The SunSpider javascript benchmark with IE8 gave score of 10900 while FF 2.0.0.12 gave me 24300 on the same machine. Pretty good performance, yet not better than the new FF3, Opera and Safary. Also pretty good surprise was the Inclusion in IE8 of a Dev tool resembling firebug. That is good. IE8 shapes up a solid start, yet I think Microsoft might revert to the initial of plan of making IE7 mode be the default as of now the web is broken in IE8 mode. As predicted, the web got broken with the default IE8 mode. What worries me is that in order for the browser to be usable people will just switch to IE7 compatibility mode and forget switching back, hence we are going back to IE7 rendering again even for users that upgraded to IE8. Just look at the initial reaction of non developers. BTW The SunSpider javascript benchmark with IE8 gave score of 10900 while FF 2.0.0.12 gave me 24300 on the same machine. Pretty good performance, yet not better than the new FF3, Opera and Safary. Also pretty good surprise was the Inclusion in IE8 of a Dev tool resembling firebug. That is good. IE8 shapes up a solid start, yet I think Microsoft might revert to the initial of plan of making IE7 mode be the default as of now the web is broken in IE8 mode.

]]> By: K9 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261879 K9 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:47:27 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261879 Oops I posted the XP-specific link above. This is the full list of downloads: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Oops I posted the XP-specific link above. This is the full list of downloads:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm

]]> By: Dave http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261878 Dave Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:33:18 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261878 "Your Operating System is not supported". I have Windows Server 2003 and it won't even install. HAH! I hate IE “Your Operating System is not supported”.

I have Windows Server 2003 and it won’t even install. HAH! I hate IE

]]> By: antimatter15 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261877 antimatter15 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:53:11 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261877 For some reason, i can't even get it to install... For some reason, i can’t even get it to install…

]]> By: temsa http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261875 temsa Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:30:05 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261875 Acid3 test: - 11/100 without MSXML - 17/100 with MSXML "addon activation" (strange security check) Looks really weird, and this is the worst result of a navigator I've seen. It may not be in "Standard mode" but I can't popup the Developer tools on this page to check or force it ( ??? ) Acid3 test:
- 11/100 without MSXML
- 17/100 with MSXML “addon activation” (strange security check)

Looks really weird, and this is the worst result of a navigator I’ve seen.

It may not be in “Standard mode” but I can’t popup the Developer tools on this page to check or force it ( ??? )

]]> By: Bertrand Le Roy http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261874 Bertrand Le Roy Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:19:29 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261874 @Jérôme: which is probably why more and more Microsoft applications (including the new Office Live) work cross-browser. Oh wait... @Jérôme: which is probably why more and more Microsoft applications (including the new Office Live) work cross-browser. Oh wait…

]]> By: JeromeLapointe http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261873 JeromeLapointe Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:01:48 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261873 You can quote me :) You can quote me :)

]]> By: JeromeLapointe http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261872 JeromeLapointe Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:59:35 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261872 I think they're getting ready for their new "Software as a service" approach. They're gonna offer a browser that does more than the others in ways that are not regulated by any standards and will offer stuff like Word online... which will only work on IE8. I predict this is how they will fight the browser war. I think they’re getting ready for their new “Software as a service” approach.

They’re gonna offer a browser that does more than the others in ways that are not regulated by any standards and will offer stuff like Word online… which will only work on IE8.

I predict this is how they will fight the browser war.

]]> By: kim3er http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261871 kim3er Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:49:51 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261871 Google Maps is knackered as well. Google Maps is knackered as well.

]]> By: Dougal85 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261870 Dougal85 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:36:54 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261870 When I do the ACID2 test... it works but only if the window is in fullscreen. It breaks slightly if i have a smaller window... is this right? Not even that small... I guess if i make it about 700px wide or less. When I do the ACID2 test… it works but only if the window is in fullscreen. It breaks slightly if i have a smaller window… is this right? Not even that small… I guess if i make it about 700px wide or less.

]]> By: Dougal85 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261868 Dougal85 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:33:39 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261868 I love hot hotmail breaks under IE8 :) I love hot hotmail breaks under IE8 :)

]]> By: temsa http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261867 temsa Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:14:04 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261867 Ok, just found with Web Developer tools([SHIFT]+[F12]), that it just has used quirks mode (don't know why) to render the page. Works WAY better in standard mode :) But it's not perfect :/ Just have to find out why it uses quirks mode (there is no other header than just ... may be that) Ok, just found with Web Developer tools([SHIFT]+[F12]), that it just has used quirks mode (don’t know why) to render the page.

Works WAY better in standard mode :)

But it’s not perfect :/

Just have to find out why it uses quirks mode (there is no other header than just … may be that)

]]> By: kim3er http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261865 kim3er Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:03:48 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261865 Connectivity Events are for Vista only. Connectivity Events are for Vista only.

]]> By: temsa http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features/comment-page-1#comment-261864 temsa Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:03:35 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/ie-8-better-ajax-css-dom-and-new-features#comment-261864 If you wanna test and don't believe me, or want to explain me why, here's my test page : http://archetypejs.org/slidy-fosdem/Slidy.html If you wanna test and don’t believe me, or want to explain me why, here’s my test page : http://archetypejs.org/slidy-fosdem/Slidy.html

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