Wednesday, December 19th, 2007

IE 8 now doesn’t trip on Acid

Category: CSS, IE

Dean Hachamovitch, General Manager of the IE team, has posted that IE 8 now renders the Acid 2 face:

I’m delighted to tell you that on Wednesday, December 12, Internet Explorer correctly rendered the Acid2 page in IE8 standards mode. While supporting the features tested in Acid2 is important for many reasons, it is just one of several milestones for the interoperability, standards compliance, and backwards compatibility that we’re committed to for this release. We will blog more on these topics. Here’s a relevant video.

For IE8, we want to communicate facts, not aspirations. We’re posting this information now because we have real working code checked in and we’re confident about delivering it in the final product. We’re listening to the feedback about IE, and at the same time, we are committed to responsible disclosure and setting expectations properly. Now that we’ve run the test on multiple machines and seen it work, we’re excited to be able to share definitive information.

While blog posts and links to videos are a good start, publicly available code is even better. We will have a lot more information available at sessions at MIX08 and will release a beta of IE8 in the first half of calendar 2008.

Mary Jo Foley got on the phone with Dean where she found out:

Hachamovitch also said that Microsoft will release a public beta build of IE 8 some time in the first half of 2008.

Internal Microsoft IE 8 build passes the Acid standards testHachamovitch denied that Microsoft’s decision to disclose this week IE 8’s planned standards compliance was related to Opera’s antitrust suit launched last week. Hachamovitch said Microsoft has been working on making IE 8 Acid2-compliant since IE 8 planning began.

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Well then, I guess Microsoft just rocked Opera’s face off to some extent…”First half” of 2008 for a beta though? Could be a while until IE8 hits consumers.

Comment by Andy Kant — December 19, 2007

Well, this certainly sounds quite good news from Redmond. Maybe all is not lost after all :) Now we just need to hope this won’t take forever to get into consumer market – and that the update won’t be “vista only”…

Comment by DiscoNova — December 19, 2007

Great news!

Comment by Will — December 19, 2007

It’s a Lie!

Comment by Viktor Kojouharov — December 19, 2007

p.s.
In the same day, we get news about DNF, and now about IE passing ACID 2. Hell must feel pretty cold right now. Can’t wait for the four horsemen to start knocking on doors.

Comment by Viktor Kojouharov — December 19, 2007

This and a trailer for Duke Nukem Forever in the same day?

Is it getting cold in here – Satan

Comment by BenRowe — December 19, 2007

Ok, so now all they have to do is fix the weird DOM quirks in IE, secure it, make it extendable, fix PNG natively, speed it up times 10, clear about 2000 memory leaks here and there and they *might* be coming to a decent browser :o
Or wait… isn’t that FF3 ?

Comment by SchizoDuckie — December 19, 2007

I hope that they don’t just flush out a IE8 with some quick fixes here and there like the IE7 release, they should have called that one IE6.5. Duct taping up an old browser engine is not what the world needs right now, making an modern browser is the name of the game. I really really hope they make an effort this time.

Comment by Spocke — December 19, 2007

This is great, and well worth the wait. The worst thing, to me, about IE7 was that it seemed to be design-by-marketing in terms of priorities, and IE8 development seems (by the statements of the developers and other MS folks in that video) to be focused on improving relations with real world web developers. And since their attitudes in addressing the Acid2 test are in the right place (not about superficial “correct” rendering, but correct implementation of the features portrayed in the test), we can expect a great deal more improvement with IE8 than previous releases.

To anyone on the IE team reading this, thanks! You’re finally making our lives easier instead of letting your company make our lives harder.

Comment by Trevor — December 19, 2007

This is great news! I can’t fault them for focusing first on John Q. Public’s needs for the browser, which was more to do with internet security like Phishing and a streamlined UI, since that is definitely a higher percentage (as in almost nearly all) of their market. Now that they’ve got their largest user group satisfied they can start to focus on us. It sounds like that’s exactly what they’re doing. I’m very satisfied with Firefox and can’t see myself switching back to IE but I certainly am looking forward to the first Betas when they come out. Hopefully they’ll “do the right thing” and release it as a standalone product first.

Comment by starkraving — December 20, 2007

Aand… Fx3b2 doesn’t! ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289480#c172 )
It seems a 404 page in the test is now returning a 200. (and from the comments Opera fails too)

Comment by Gonzalo — December 20, 2007

“Aand… Fx3b2 doesn’t! ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289480#c172 )
It seems a 404 page in the test is now returning a 200. (and from the comments Opera fails too)”

Acid2’s creator has said that the public test page is incorrect, but is hosting it on his site in correct functioning order. The former renders incorrectly in Safari 3.0.4 but the latter doesn’t.

Comment by Trevor — December 20, 2007

Yes, but then… can we be sure that IE8 renders correctly the correct Acid2?

Comment by Gonzalo — December 20, 2007

I think this is great news. However, if IE8 isn’t made a critical update, I fear we’ll be catering for IE6 for a while longer.

Comment by kim3er — December 20, 2007

Whatever happens we’ll be supporting ie6 for the next 5 years. But
at least ie8 looks like it will rock – from the video it will support generated content and table,tr,td display types, so table layouts with lots of divs would be doable

Comment by Pete B — December 20, 2007

Pete: I don’t expect to support IE6 that long. The main holdouts are companies who haven’t certified IE7 for internal use yet. I expect in a year or two those will have gone ahead and switched over. All that’s left at that point are non-technical home users who don’t update at that point, who you can reasonably require to upgrade to IE7 before they can use your app. So, in short, I expect IE6 to need supporting for one year, maybe two at most, and to then go the way of the dodo.

Comment by Joeri — December 20, 2007

This is good news, and I’d rather wait a bit longer for them to release a great IE8 then a slightly better version of IE7.

Comment by Aaron — December 20, 2007

we’ll need to support ie6, ie7 ie8.. FF.. safari.. etccc….

more CSS and more CSS

why the upgrade isnt Mandatory

Comment by Grimsk — December 20, 2007

Awesome. Great news. I can’t wait to try out the public beta. And if they really want to make developers happy, they would release a developer version that allows you to run 8 alongside 7 without hacks or virtualization

Comment by Will Peavy — December 20, 2007

Hopefully the release of 8 will get all those lazy SOB’s running IE6 to at least upgrade to IE7. Also, now that they are correctly handling CSS, I hope the fix all their DOM issues (no name attribute for form elements = the bane of my existince).

Comment by tj111 — December 20, 2007

I wonder if IE8 passed a working Acid2 test:
http://www.hixie.ch/tests/evil/acid/002/

Or the broken Acid2 test:
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html

Acid2 on the webstandards site is broken because it uses an invalid embedded link that is returning 200 instead of 404.

Comment by Chris Phillips — December 20, 2007

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