Comments on: IE 8: Opt-in for standards compliance

By: bob zass

bob zass — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:47:58 +0000

ps.
this page is nowhere near validating so it doesn’t matter if you DO use IE here or not. lol. sad stuff

By: bob zass

bob zass — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:45:36 +0000

omg. will someone just shoot ie and put it out of its disabled and senile misery? i have to install multi-IE (3,4,5,5.5,6,7) – please don’t make me install another one on the same damn box and test everything all over again.
how do you spell shitty (ienternetnet expolorer…)

By: Mark Kempton

Mark Kempton — Fri, 18 May 2007 06:07:27 +0000

Heres a way to tell IE6 how to behave like a standards compliant browser using javascript libraries that you can include in your websites:

http://www.grumpycoder.co.uk/how-to-fix-ie6-for-w3c-standards-compliance-using-javascript-libraries/

By: Trevor

Trevor — Thu, 10 May 2007 19:40:25 +0000

Rob,
According to http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=6 IE7 already accounts for more than double the market share of all versions of Firefox combined.

Not sure what you’re trying to say.

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 10 May 2007 02:56:30 +0000

Trevor,
From what I’m seeing, it seems Firefox is becoming the automatic update to IE.

By: Trevor

Trevor — Wed, 09 May 2007 19:52:30 +0000

Trevor, you ignorant slut. Providing a link to another compatible browser will bring those 90% quickly into the fold.

Because I’ve been doing web dev for a living for eight years, I remember the days of “Best viewed in ___________”. And it’s “ignorant” to believe that all these years later, the trend has changed. Same as it was, users still don’t like to download and install software. They don’t know how, and they fear spyware and viruses.

The only reason IE 6 took over from 5.x is that people were buying newer computers with it pre-installed. The only reason IE 7 is gaining any marketshare is because Microsoft pushed it as an automatic update.

I sincerely doubt Microsoft will push Firefox as an automatic update from IE 7.

By: nxt

nxt — Wed, 09 May 2007 15:43:01 +0000

IE respecting standards….where have I heard that before?….oh, I remember….wasn’t that the release of IE7 and before that IE6? May be this time MS should just do it, test it and then start making any claims…

By: Giggle Platypus

Giggle Platypus — Wed, 09 May 2007 15:42:36 +0000

Trevor, you ignorant slut. Providing a link to another compatible browser will bring those 90% quickly into the fold. :)

Andrew, good points. I will have to explore this further.

By: Andrey Skvortsov

Andrey Skvortsov — Wed, 09 May 2007 13:52:31 +0000

Giggle Platypus,you don’t get it-ms seems not interested in browser market per se-they trying to push another RIA platform,not constrained by “standards”,you refer(no one says,Flash is not standard compliant;-).Browser could serve as mediator for quite sime time,but should gone in long run.It’s my opinion only.By the way,have you heard about IE behaviors?Methodology behind it(extensibility model) is foundation of any js lib out there,Ruby success or any other dynamic language built on this philosophy(AOP).But have you heard,that ms tried to standartize it long time ago(IE 5.5),but give up,because of bureaucratic mechanisms of w3c?Standards is not always good-html dosen’t change for quite some time now and only now people suddenly discover XmlHttpRequest(which created by ms!)and try to standartize it.But evolution going on undercover and dosen’t stop,perhaps dhtml “as is” will be not so actual in the future,don’t you think?

By: jack

jack — Wed, 09 May 2007 00:58:40 +0000

We all need to get together and once a year, just detect and refuse to serve content to IE browsers as a protest agains’t IE’s unwillingness to meet standards. Provide a link to Firefox, etc.

By: Trevor

Trevor — Tue, 08 May 2007 21:19:23 +0000

You folks who say you don’t develop for IE… do you develop for a living? Because I can’t imagine a client or firm or boss or whatever accepting you shutting out or ignoring 90% of your potential viewers/users/customers. You must live in a dream world.

I’m jealous, but I digress.

By: Giggle Platypus

Giggle Platypus — Tue, 08 May 2007 20:12:30 +0000

Please stop pandering to Microsoft’s browsers and explicitly state on your web site that a “standards-compliant browser is required.” Then provide a link to Opera or Firefox.

STOP BEING A SLAVE TO MICROSOFT!!!!!

By: Andrey Skvortsov

Andrey Skvortsov — Tue, 08 May 2007 14:40:44 +0000

You forgot Silverlight-it’s next gen “managed” browser,I suppose.

By: Rob Lord

Rob Lord — Tue, 08 May 2007 08:03:32 +0000

There’s a very simple solution to this problem.

When Firefox is installed, a Gecko extension for IE should also be installed. Alternatively, Web publishers should encourage the download of a Gecko extension for IE when it is not detected in a user’s Web browser.

Any Web developer then can *chose* to invoke the Gecko rendering engine via DOCTYPE or similar invocation.

Microsoft is co-opting Firefox with Silverlight, WPF, etc. It’s time Web publishers and the Mozilla Foundation co-opted IE.

Open source, open standards, open Web; the alternative is untenable.

By: Marcus

Marcus — Mon, 07 May 2007 23:02:01 +0000

To be honest i’d rather they did take 5 years to release IE8. At least this way we won’t still have to support IE6, IE7 and IE8 at the same time!… and as Dean says, fill our code with ‘if’ statements to cater for this.

Something I’d be interested in is where IE8 will be a complete re-write or hacked on top of IE7, as IE7 was to IE6 … At least I’m assuming it was since many of the weird CSS bugs still remained.

By: Dean Edwards

Dean Edwards — Mon, 07 May 2007 22:01:51 +0000

I meant to say:
I can foresee a day when the entire section of a web page is dedicated to â€œifs and butsâ€ to accommodate Microsoft.

By: Gordon

Gordon — Mon, 07 May 2007 20:22:20 +0000

can anyone point me to those top 200 Web sites?

By: Dean Edwards

Dean Edwards — Mon, 07 May 2007 20:18:39 +0000

This is very bad news for the web. I can foresee a day when the entire section of a web page is dedicated to “ifs and buts” to accommodate Microsoft. No web developer wants this.

By: scriptkiddie

scriptkiddie — Mon, 07 May 2007 19:05:47 +0000

I develop for firefox, safari and opera only.
I give a flying cunt about IE.
Too many headaches…

By: John Dowdell

John Dowdell — Mon, 07 May 2007 18:12:17 +0000

The Register had a similar article last week:
http://www.theregister.com/2007/05/01/internet_explorer_standards/

The Internet Explorer team themselves haven’t yet commented, though:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
http://blogs.msdn.com/cwilso/
http://blogs.msdn.com/petel/

Maybe their side of the story is in one of the videos of the event…?

jd/adobe