Comments on: jQuery finds its way into Microsoft and Nokia stacks

By: Remedies

Remedies — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:14:25 +0000

Excellent thanks

By: eyelidlessness

eyelidlessness — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:03:32 +0000

@Nosredna: We are also using Prototype for new projects. It still offers a laundry list of features not handled by jQuery, and I personally prefer its direct extension of DOM elements rather than using the crazy array-obscured collection thing jQuery uses. (Not trying to put down jQuery, and I definitely see the value in its approach, I just don’t like it as much.)

By: MorganRoderick

MorganRoderick — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:05:59 +0000

I spoke too soon. The new release of prototype.js is available from the downloads page on the prototype site … it’s not mentionend on the frontpage, or in any of the other places … and going from 1.6.0.2 to 1.6.0.3, it looks like mostly bugfixes (and we like fixes).

http://github.com/sstephenson/prototype/tree/master/CHANGELOG

By: MorganRoderick

MorganRoderick — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:02:12 +0000

@Nosredna: We’re still using prototype for new projects, coupled with Dan Webb’s excellent lowpro.js, which is also available for jQuery.

@Les: Released where? I don’t see any mention of it on any of the usual spaces.

By: ThomasHansen

ThomasHansen — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:58:45 +0000

@RichW
Interesting observation, unfortunately I believe this is mostly to do “damage-control” and not a real shift of focus/interests…

By: RichW

RichW — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:28:26 +0000

Interesting. I’ve always felt MS has all its eggs in Silverlight and Ajax is just an annoyance for them. Still not sure where they stand.

Their ASP.NET Ajax effort is just so horrible compared to using any of the open source Ajax libraries (Ext, Prototype, JQuery, etc). Sort of Ajax for people either too lazy to really learn javascript or to married to compiled languages.

The Ajax world has fast passed MS by. With Google’s entry into the browser market, and the lightning fast javascript engines coming from them and Firefox, Silverlight may be already dead.

Perhaps they’re admitting that.

By: Les

Les — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:20:45 +0000

@Nosredna, FYI

A new version of Prototype was released today.

By: mdmadph

mdmadph — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:06:03 +0000

@shypht

You’ll also inevitably find someone coming to Microsoft’s defense and complaining about the complainers, just like you did.

Personally, I just found it neat that Scott Hanselman was using Firefox+Firebug (instead of some competing Microsoft product) to show what he was doing.

By: Nosredna

Nosredna — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:01:44 +0000

jQuery has a lot more users than MooTools. It would be silly to go with Moo when so many people are familiar with jQuery.

As for Prototype, is anyone using it for new sites? Seems like it’s fallen off the map to me. jQuery and Dojo seem to have most of the action when it comes to new projects.

By: shypht

shypht — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:22:27 +0000

Surprise surprise, an article that mentions jQuery and Microsoft and you’re bound to find at least 1 post mentioning “what about mootools!” and one post moaning about Microsoft.

Working in a Microsoft shop, and also using jQuery heavily on my most recent project, I think that this is great news.

By: Fyzbo

Fyzbo — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:13:04 +0000

I think it’s great. I’ve been using jquery with asp.net for a couple years now and it’s an excellent match up. Microsoft’s support should definitely be seen as a positive.

By: jamiethompson

jamiethompson — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:00:49 +0000

I’m sure i’m not alone in thinking “eww, Microsoft?” but if nothing else this gives jQuery kudos in the eyes of decision makers who are suspicious of anything which isn’t endorsed personally by Bill Gates himself

By: kadnan

kadnan — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:51:26 +0000

Great news for Jhon and his team!

By: V1

V1 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:49:31 +0000

@stimpy

DW has Spry ;) and cs4 will come with great widget adding support for YUI, jQuery and various of other frameworks.

By: microwave

microwave — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 02:00:31 +0000

What did Microsoft donate money to the jQuery project? imo MS has absolutely no business using anything open-source (internally or externally) unless they started the project as a part of their own original goals–or have some self-apparent and demonstrated investment in the thing. That company should pay for every tool and feature that contributes to their products/value. From my limited perspective this is taking money away from the development community in saved labor/hours and adding that value into their platform. I don’t see that as consistent with MS’s character and prior actions, or fair to the jQuery project. Nokia not so much s60, etc.

By: Tobie Langel

Tobie Langel — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:55:59 +0000

Congrats, guys!

By: stimpy77

stimpy77 — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:15:04 +0000

Even those who hate Microsoft should be excited about this news. This is a two-part precedent: never before has an IDE / dev tools vendor given any one particular script library exclusive favor and support. This literally means that the industry is turning on its head and that a de facto standard, for better or for worse, has been chosen by one of the largest dev tool giants on the planet as being significant enough to build on top of exclusively. The other precedent is that Microsoft has bundled a third party open source codebase as a part of their development foundations and core, and that has never happened before, to my knowledge, in the history of the company. It can only mean good things to come in the gradual evolution of the software giant.

By: Jordan

Jordan — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:06:25 +0000

I bet MooTools was a close second runner up and they only choose jQuery over MooTools just to save an extra byte off the download size. But they don’t understand the power of MooTools.