Comments on: jQuery for JavaScript programmers http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 17 May 2012 07:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Bradley http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-254052 Bradley Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:48:16 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-254052 Disclaimer: I am a jQuery contributor. Re: jQuery in professional use: http://docs.jquery.com/Sites_Using_jQuery Assumptions get everyone nowhere. Disclaimer: I am a jQuery contributor.

Re: jQuery in professional use:
http://docs.jquery.com/Sites_Using_jQuery

Assumptions get everyone nowhere.

]]> By: Tom Occhino http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-254021 Tom Occhino Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:32:36 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-254021 Personally, i think jQuery has come a long way... and i do agree that it is a great framework. But i would not call it a framework for JavaScript programmers. Or, at least not for JavaScript prgrammers who have dealt with other programming languages. I would (and do) recommend it to website interface designers and developers who don't want to know the inner workings of making things happen on their web pages. They just want an easy way to add interactivity and usability to their pages. I think what you have done is great, and obviously the JavaScript community agrees. Since i was a programmer before i was a web-programmer, I prefer a modular framework that gives me the flexibility and power to use JavaScript as if it was, for lack of a better term a 'real' programming language like C++ or Java. I want a JavaScript toolkit that will allow me to apply my previous knowledge of object oriented programming and design patterns to the web. As long as everyone is happy, there is no need to criticize each others work, just respect it for what it is and make the web a better place. -cheers :) Personally, i think jQuery has come a long way… and i do agree that it is a great framework. But i would not call it a framework for JavaScript programmers. Or, at least not for JavaScript prgrammers who have dealt with other programming languages. I would (and do) recommend it to website interface designers and developers who don’t want to know the inner workings of making things happen on their web pages. They just want an easy way to add interactivity and usability to their pages. I think what you have done is great, and obviously the JavaScript community agrees.

Since i was a programmer before i was a web-programmer, I prefer a modular framework that gives me the flexibility and power to use JavaScript as if it was, for lack of a better term a ‘real’ programming language like C++ or Java. I want a JavaScript toolkit that will allow me to apply my previous knowledge of object oriented programming and design patterns to the web. As long as everyone is happy, there is no need to criticize each others work, just respect it for what it is and make the web a better place.

-cheers :)

]]> By: Rey Bango http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-254007 Rey Bango Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:20:18 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-254007 @anonymous: You're right in that my responsibility is to promote jQuery and I do so in a VERY professional manner. And yes, I am vigilant about jQuery topics and will reply to incorrect information. Its no different from countless other folks that are passionate about specific topics and want to ensure that the *correct* information gets out. I bet you would be hard pressed to find any reply where I've been rude to anyone. At the end of the day, what you're telling me is that you want the freedom to post whatever you want about jQuery (or any other topic) and not have to deal with a rebuttal. That's actually more "big brother-ish" than what you've mentioned. Finally, since we're on topic of rudeness, something that I think is extremely rude is hiding behind the veil of anonymity to voice an opinion. @anonymous: You’re right in that my responsibility is to promote jQuery and I do so in a VERY professional manner. And yes, I am vigilant about jQuery topics and will reply to incorrect information. Its no different from countless other folks that are passionate about specific topics and want to ensure that the *correct* information gets out. I bet you would be hard pressed to find any reply where I’ve been rude to anyone. At the end of the day, what you’re telling me is that you want the freedom to post whatever you want about jQuery (or any other topic) and not have to deal with a rebuttal. That’s actually more “big brother-ish” than what you’ve mentioned. Finally, since we’re on topic of rudeness, something that I think is extremely rude is hiding behind the veil of anonymity to voice an opinion.

]]> By: anonymous http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253997 anonymous Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:46:35 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253997 @Resig Not sure he meant that you work alone. Rather that you work with evangelists. Which is not, persay, a bad thing. He just mentioned that some are not professional. I've noticed, for instance, that Rey Bango likes to leave a comment on just about any blog/article that mentions jQuery. I guess that's his job, but I frown on the fact that there's big brother watching what people say. I agree that he has the right of an opinion, but to lecture people... that's rude. @Resig
Not sure he meant that you work alone. Rather that you work with evangelists. Which is not, persay, a bad thing. He just mentioned that some are not professional. I’ve noticed, for instance, that Rey Bango likes to leave a comment on just about any blog/article that mentions jQuery. I guess that’s his job, but I frown on the fact that there’s big brother watching what people say. I agree that he has the right of an opinion, but to lecture people… that’s rude.

]]> By: John Resig http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253989 John Resig Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:43:49 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253989 @Burcu: I work alone? That's news to me! The jQuery team is about 25 people strong (about fifteen working on the jQuery project and another ten working on the new jQuery UI project). The jQuery core team is about three consistent core committers (of which I am one) and we receive hundreds of patches which we work back into the core system (not to mention all the other contributors who contribute whenever they can). I actively drive and manage the project, so I'm not sure if you're suggesting that I give up my roll in that regard, or not. Of course, it would be nice if we were able to spawn off a whole jQuery foundation, but that remains to be seen. More information: http://docs.jquery.com/Contributors @Burcu: I work alone? That’s news to me! The jQuery team is about 25 people strong (about fifteen working on the jQuery project and another ten working on the new jQuery UI project).

The jQuery core team is about three consistent core committers (of which I am one) and we receive hundreds of patches which we work back into the core system (not to mention all the other contributors who contribute whenever they can).

I actively drive and manage the project, so I’m not sure if you’re suggesting that I give up my roll in that regard, or not. Of course, it would be nice if we were able to spawn off a whole jQuery foundation, but that remains to be seen.

More information:
http://docs.jquery.com/Contributors

]]> By: Burcu http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253987 Burcu Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:02:13 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253987 Thanks for the mention of the great framework. Professionally it may not work for the experienced users but future is clear upon the extra necessary work on jQuery to hit the professional developers. The pure wrong decision of Resig is simply not buiding up a team of talented web personalities to work with, but stay in the personal zone. But still it's one of the simpliest and good working Javascript frameworks all time and deserves the buzz. Thanks for the mention of the great framework. Professionally it may not work for the experienced users but future is clear upon the extra necessary work on jQuery to hit the professional developers.
The pure wrong decision of Resig is simply not buiding up a team of talented web personalities to work with, but stay in the personal zone.
But still it’s one of the simpliest and good working Javascript frameworks all time and deserves the buzz.

]]> By: Charles http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253986 Charles Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:25:26 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253986 oops... 'Mark'.replace("ark","ike") oops… ‘Mark’.replace(“ark”,”ike”)

]]> By: Charles http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253985 Charles Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:22:49 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253985 @Mark: jQuery does add very useful Array and String methods, see: $.map, .filter, .grep, .trim, .merge And there is also .extend for further methods and plugins. jQuery does NOT extend the default Array and String objects to avoid namespace collisions and conflicts with properties like .length. jQuery is easily extensible with plugins, for issues like AJAX location.hash tracking (see History/Remote plugin) but you can also create a hash from an array, see the very long list at http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins . jQuery is for programmers who are tired of cross-browser headaches and don't need the default bloat of other frameworks, but is so easily extensible that you can very easily add many features. It is very OOP-focused (have you ever seen the source?) and good coding practices are encouraged - just watch the advice given to plugin authors on the jQuery-en group. The importance of this article is not just jQuery, but the support of a programmer widely respected in the field. I can see we need to continue posting articles on the power of jQuery, because some coders (ahem) have not paused to see how much time and effort they can save with a few simple lines of jQuery code. Is there a framework, or set of extended methods, that you would rather recommend? @Mark:
jQuery does add very useful Array and String methods, see:
$.map, .filter, .grep, .trim, .merge
And there is also .extend for further methods and plugins.
jQuery does NOT extend the default Array and String objects to avoid namespace collisions and conflicts with properties like .length.
jQuery is easily extensible with plugins, for issues like AJAX location.hash tracking (see History/Remote plugin) but you can also create a hash from an array, see the very long list at http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins .
jQuery is for programmers who are tired of cross-browser headaches and don’t need the default bloat of other frameworks, but is so easily extensible that you can very easily add many features.
It is very OOP-focused (have you ever seen the source?) and good coding practices are encouraged – just watch the advice given to plugin authors on the jQuery-en group.
The importance of this article is not just jQuery, but the support of a programmer widely respected in the field. I can see we need to continue posting articles on the power of jQuery, because some coders (ahem) have not paused to see how much time and effort they can save with a few simple lines of jQuery code.
Is there a framework, or set of extended methods, that you would rather recommend?

]]> By: Rey Bango http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253982 Rey Bango Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:10:18 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253982 @mike: If you put your personal bias aside and look at the categories on the left-hand side of Ajaxian, you'll see that jQuery has only recently begun to get more coverage and thats because of the great strides its made of late. Even though I use jQuery and I'm a member of the project team, I never get tired of seeing Prototype, Ext, Dojo or Mootools postings because it allows me to keep up to date with what other projects are doing. Please try to be a little more objective about things. @mike: If you put your personal bias aside and look at the categories on the left-hand side of Ajaxian, you’ll see that jQuery has only recently begun to get more coverage and thats because of the great strides its made of late. Even though I use jQuery and I’m a member of the project team, I never get tired of seeing Prototype, Ext, Dojo or Mootools postings because it allows me to keep up to date with what other projects are doing. Please try to be a little more objective about things.

]]> By: Brennan Stehling http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253978 Brennan Stehling Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:37:16 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253978 Perhaps it is covered a bit, but it is a very good framework that providers excellent cross-browser features in a very tight package. I use it to manipulate the markup and bind events and it works great. I also use the limited visual effects it provides. And lately I have been using the plugins that extend jQuery. The plugin system is the biggest to consider using jQuery. I easily add drag&drop support as well as context menus to my application so easily. There is no reason to use other bloated libraries. Just because it does not do everything is not a negative. That is a very good thing. If I need anything more I can create a plugin. I also think jQuery supports OOP very well. Perhaps it is covered a bit, but it is a very good framework that providers excellent cross-browser features in a very tight package. I use it to manipulate the markup and bind events and it works great. I also use the limited visual effects it provides. And lately I have been using the plugins that extend jQuery. The plugin system is the biggest to consider using jQuery. I easily add drag&drop support as well as context menus to my application so easily. There is no reason to use other bloated libraries. Just because it does not do everything is not a negative. That is a very good thing. If I need anything more I can create a plugin. I also think jQuery supports OOP very well.

]]> By: mike http://ajaxian.com/archives/jquery-for-javascript-programmers/comment-page-1#comment-253974 mike Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:41:49 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=2670#comment-253974 Don't u get tired to collect articles about the features of jQuery ... repeating them makes it not more interesting. My opinion is, that jQuery is not for experiences JavaScript programmers because it does not provide many methods exceeding DOM manipulation, like OOP, more Array/String methods, Hash ... (consistent naming, whats a method "one" that adds an event?) It's ok for starters and people that want to avoid coding actual JavaScript ;) ... I already hear the screams of all devotees. Don’t u get tired to collect articles about the features of jQuery … repeating them makes it not more interesting.
My opinion is, that jQuery is not for experiences JavaScript programmers because it does not provide many methods exceeding DOM manipulation, like OOP, more Array/String methods, Hash … (consistent naming, whats a method “one” that adds an event?) It’s ok for starters and people that want to avoid coding actual JavaScript ;) … I already hear the screams of all devotees.

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