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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/kevin-hakman-joins-aptana/comment-page-1#comment-261816</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Uri:&lt;/b&gt; I&#039;ve been really busy, and just noticed your response.  I really appreciate you addressing these issues for me -- that was just what I wanted to hear, and in detail.  Hopefully I will have the time away from sales soon to set up my LAMP box with Jaxer and slice my dev time in half!

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Uri:</b> I&#8217;ve been really busy, and just noticed your response.  I really appreciate you addressing these issues for me &#8212; that was just what I wanted to hear, and in detail.  Hopefully I will have the time away from sales soon to set up my LAMP box with Jaxer and slice my dev time in half!</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Uri</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/kevin-hakman-joins-aptana/comment-page-1#comment-261704</link>
		<dc:creator>Uri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charles,

a) Since Jaxer is primarily a server-side technology, it actually can solve many problems for developers that want to target browsers with *no* JavaScript support at all -- how is that for degradation? For example, if you detect there&#039;s no client-side JS  you could do whatever is needed in server-side JS and send the results to the client. Of course you then have no client-side event handling, and really no callbacks, as you might expect. If JavaScript is available on the client, the client-side part of the Jaxer framework is very small, and is really only used/needed for callbacks.

b) This one deserves at least an FAQ entry but really more of a detailed study and use-cases. We&#039;re working on that now. The scaling story is a lot better than having to mirror all of the browser-user interactions on the server, as in your Opera Mini analogy. Jaxer simply processes the page before it&#039;s served to the browser, then leaves the browser to do its thing without mirroring anything, and only needs to worry about function callbacks. There is no need for, and no resources invested in, maintaining a synchronization between the client and server DOMs, user events, etc.

Hope that helps, 
Uri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charles,</p>
<p>a) Since Jaxer is primarily a server-side technology, it actually can solve many problems for developers that want to target browsers with *no* JavaScript support at all &#8212; how is that for degradation? For example, if you detect there&#8217;s no client-side JS  you could do whatever is needed in server-side JS and send the results to the client. Of course you then have no client-side event handling, and really no callbacks, as you might expect. If JavaScript is available on the client, the client-side part of the Jaxer framework is very small, and is really only used/needed for callbacks.</p>
<p>b) This one deserves at least an FAQ entry but really more of a detailed study and use-cases. We&#8217;re working on that now. The scaling story is a lot better than having to mirror all of the browser-user interactions on the server, as in your Opera Mini analogy. Jaxer simply processes the page before it&#8217;s served to the browser, then leaves the browser to do its thing without mirroring anything, and only needs to worry about function callbacks. There is no need for, and no resources invested in, maintaining a synchronization between the client and server DOMs, user events, etc.</p>
<p>Hope that helps,<br />
Uri</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/kevin-hakman-joins-aptana/comment-page-1#comment-261677</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has really got me interested in Jaxer.  A &#039;single DOM&#039; on both client and server without framework code abstraction or language translation?  Awesome.
.
Before I put my heart into it, can you guys please let us know:
a) how it degrades on clients with limited or no JS functionality? and...
b) how does it (or how do you expect it to) scale?
...and then put those in the FAQ, please.
.
Doing some web development and working with Opera Mini, which runs a full-fledged Opera 9.85 on the server (so I&#039;m told) has been impressive.  It&#039;s amazing how it captures click &amp; mouseover events and translates them into selectable links, among other things.  So, I think Jaxer &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; scale and degrade well, if Opera Mini is any example... or am I way off base?  Please say I&#039;m not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has really got me interested in Jaxer.  A &#8216;single DOM&#8217; on both client and server without framework code abstraction or language translation?  Awesome.<br />
.<br />
Before I put my heart into it, can you guys please let us know:<br />
a) how it degrades on clients with limited or no JS functionality? and&#8230;<br />
b) how does it (or how do you expect it to) scale?<br />
&#8230;and then put those in the FAQ, please.<br />
.<br />
Doing some web development and working with Opera Mini, which runs a full-fledged Opera 9.85 on the server (so I&#8217;m told) has been impressive.  It&#8217;s amazing how it captures click &amp; mouseover events and translates them into selectable links, among other things.  So, I think Jaxer <i>should</i> scale and degrade well, if Opera Mini is any example&#8230; or am I way off base?  Please say I&#8217;m not!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Holton</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/kevin-hakman-joins-aptana/comment-page-1#comment-261676</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Holton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...i downloaded the Aptana IDE awhile ago on my Windows machine at work (i like TextMate on my Mac).... haven&#039;t delved deeply into it, but seems to be where i&#039;m leaning when it comes to Windows... now that I hear this exciting news, I am leaning further that way.  Thanks for the info Kevin, Dion, et al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;i downloaded the Aptana IDE awhile ago on my Windows machine at work (i like TextMate on my Mac)&#8230;. haven&#8217;t delved deeply into it, but seems to be where i&#8217;m leaning when it comes to Windows&#8230; now that I hear this exciting news, I am leaning further that way.  Thanks for the info Kevin, Dion, et al</p>
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		<title>By: igaenssley</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/kevin-hakman-joins-aptana/comment-page-1#comment-261673</link>
		<dc:creator>igaenssley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve recently enlisted Aptana Studio to help me kick my Dreamweaver habit. Glad to see more people helping out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently enlisted Aptana Studio to help me kick my Dreamweaver habit. Glad to see more people helping out.</p>
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		<title>By: khakman2</title>
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		<dc:creator>khakman2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really excited about Aptana&#039;s vision.  The great products are a direct result of the great team Paul and Uri have built.  And there&#039;s lots more innovation to come.  (And without the Sarbanes-Oxley restrictions hanging over me, we can actually talk about our roadmap!  So be sure to stay tuned!)

Also--speaking of great teams, (and to clarify) GI was created by a team -- not me as the &quot;original author&quot;.  There have been many contributors, but the core most have really been Luke Birdeau and Michael Peachey who were there on day one in 2001 when we sat down at the whiteboard and in the more recent years Jesse Costello Good who added lots of great stuff to Luke&#039;s insightful foundations and helped refine and optimize the concepts further (and did the bulk of the work to get GI running in Safari too).  The source says it all @ http://gi.tibco.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really excited about Aptana&#8217;s vision.  The great products are a direct result of the great team Paul and Uri have built.  And there&#8217;s lots more innovation to come.  (And without the Sarbanes-Oxley restrictions hanging over me, we can actually talk about our roadmap!  So be sure to stay tuned!)</p>
<p>Also&#8211;speaking of great teams, (and to clarify) GI was created by a team &#8212; not me as the &#8220;original author&#8221;.  There have been many contributors, but the core most have really been Luke Birdeau and Michael Peachey who were there on day one in 2001 when we sat down at the whiteboard and in the more recent years Jesse Costello Good who added lots of great stuff to Luke&#8217;s insightful foundations and helped refine and optimize the concepts further (and did the bulk of the work to get GI running in Safari too).  The source says it all @ <a href="http://gi.tibco.com" rel="nofollow">http://gi.tibco.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Holton</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/kevin-hakman-joins-aptana/comment-page-1#comment-261669</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Holton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...definitely interested in keeping an eye on this.  Also in seeing example apps, and snippets with Jaxer, as they say are forthcoming on their website...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;definitely interested in keeping an eye on this.  Also in seeing example apps, and snippets with Jaxer, as they say are forthcoming on their website&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: OpenAjax</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/kevin-hakman-joins-aptana/comment-page-1#comment-261667</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenAjax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted that comment - I knew something was up.
Kevin Hackman is one of the pioneers of Ajax, and I look forward to what he will do with Aptana.  However, I worry what will happen to Tibco&#039;s GI now that the orignal author has left the company.
I also have been watching Paul Colton for a while - he was behind Xamlon when he was investigating XAML - I guess the work has now transformed to Aptana.
Aptana is now the company to watch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted that comment &#8211; I knew something was up.<br />
Kevin Hackman is one of the pioneers of Ajax, and I look forward to what he will do with Aptana.  However, I worry what will happen to Tibco&#8217;s GI now that the orignal author has left the company.<br />
I also have been watching Paul Colton for a while &#8211; he was behind Xamlon when he was investigating XAML &#8211; I guess the work has now transformed to Aptana.<br />
Aptana is now the company to watch!</p>
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