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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-258201</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 01:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long pages work, but it&#039;s always nice to have a short URL with www.shrinkm.com for many reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long pages work, but it&#8217;s always nice to have a short URL with <a href="http://www.shrinkm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shrinkm.com</a> for many reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Shahid Shah</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254861</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahid Shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &quot;declaration&quot; does not provide any validity in long pages.  Is a book just one page?

You can provide clearly defined headings.  But it is not enough.  The concept of breaking down pages stemmed from research where users complained of too much text in one page.  A usable factor of breaking down a web page into multiple pages is bookmarking.  The reasoning of multiple pages is not only down to the fact of slow connections.

I don&#039;t particularly see how Ajax will work as it will break the search facility.  It is the duty of of web designers and developers to produce sites with accessibility and usability in mind.  Despite what you think, money is not the reasoning behind this, but usability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;declaration&#8221; does not provide any validity in long pages.  Is a book just one page?</p>
<p>You can provide clearly defined headings.  But it is not enough.  The concept of breaking down pages stemmed from research where users complained of too much text in one page.  A usable factor of breaking down a web page into multiple pages is bookmarking.  The reasoning of multiple pages is not only down to the fact of slow connections.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly see how Ajax will work as it will break the search facility.  It is the duty of of web designers and developers to produce sites with accessibility and usability in mind.  Despite what you think, money is not the reasoning behind this, but usability.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254805</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they work GREAT when I&#039;m surfing the web from my 2G mobile phone!

Seriously, though, I think what an earlier poster said applies: it depends. Not only on the content, but on your audience. The worst experience I&#039;ve ever had was trying to look up a product on Amazon.com from my phone. It would be faster to drive home, turn on my computer, find it there, then go back to wherever I was before.

Pages shouldn&#039;t be designed for low-bandwidth users, but they should allow themselves to be ADAPTED to said users. How that&#039;s done -- server-side filtering, alternate URL, mobile proxy server -- is less relevant.

Keith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they work GREAT when I&#8217;m surfing the web from my 2G mobile phone!</p>
<p>Seriously, though, I think what an earlier poster said applies: it depends. Not only on the content, but on your audience. The worst experience I&#8217;ve ever had was trying to look up a product on Amazon.com from my phone. It would be faster to drive home, turn on my computer, find it there, then go back to wherever I was before.</p>
<p>Pages shouldn&#8217;t be designed for low-bandwidth users, but they should allow themselves to be ADAPTED to said users. How that&#8217;s done &#8212; server-side filtering, alternate URL, mobile proxy server &#8212; is less relevant.</p>
<p>Keith</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Levine</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254800</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really mind the Next links much anymore, but only since I installed repaginator for FireFox.  It lets me combine multiple pages into a single page.

I think some of the &quot;break up the page&quot; conventional wisdom developed during the days of dial-up.  You could have the user wait forever for your long article to download and risk them hitting the Stop button.  Alternatively, you could break up the article and get them hooked on some of the article quicker.  With broadband, this isn&#039;t as big of an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really mind the Next links much anymore, but only since I installed repaginator for FireFox.  It lets me combine multiple pages into a single page.</p>
<p>I think some of the &#8220;break up the page&#8221; conventional wisdom developed during the days of dial-up.  You could have the user wait forever for your long article to download and risk them hitting the Stop button.  Alternatively, you could break up the article and get them hooked on some of the article quicker.  With broadband, this isn&#8217;t as big of an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Stenseth</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254798</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Stenseth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the biggest reason that the fold matters less than it has in the past is the integration of the scroll wheel into the mouse. This single invention allows people to slide up and down your site without having to move over to the scroll bar and back again. Interacting with the scroll bar is a horrible user interface experience in my opinion because the user has to move their attention away from what they are reading move the scroll bar and then find where they were on the page again. You don&#039;t have this problem with the scroll wheel because you can track the position you are reading while you use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the biggest reason that the fold matters less than it has in the past is the integration of the scroll wheel into the mouse. This single invention allows people to slide up and down your site without having to move over to the scroll bar and back again. Interacting with the scroll bar is a horrible user interface experience in my opinion because the user has to move their attention away from what they are reading move the scroll bar and then find where they were on the page again. You don&#8217;t have this problem with the scroll wheel because you can track the position you are reading while you use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Piero</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254794</link>
		<dc:creator>Piero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree with that ! I hate to click those &quot;next&quot; links, or see the following here, etc...
By the way, if u do a solution in ajax (for instance to show comments), you won&#039;t be able to search a string within the browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree with that ! I hate to click those &#8220;next&#8221; links, or see the following here, etc&#8230;<br />
By the way, if u do a solution in ajax (for instance to show comments), you won&#8217;t be able to search a string within the browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Ford</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254793</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Ford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The default WordPress theme works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The default WordPress theme works!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Clarke</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254792</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad we&#039;re starting to get over the scrollbar phobia. Making long articles hard to search/scan through and being stingy with whitespace are far greater sins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad we&#8217;re starting to get over the scrollbar phobia. Making long articles hard to search/scan through and being stingy with whitespace are far greater sins.</p>
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		<title>By: GregoryD</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254791</link>
		<dc:creator>GregoryD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to do with the type of content being offered.  An encyclopedia where every article was a sentence or two long probably wouldn&#039;t do very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has to do with the type of content being offered.  An encyclopedia where every article was a sentence or two long probably wouldn&#8217;t do very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Phill Kenoyer</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254788</link>
		<dc:creator>Phill Kenoyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.  They don&#039;t chunk the pages because of scrolling.  They do it because they can get more advertising on the article.  It&#039;s all about money, not about usability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep.  They don&#8217;t chunk the pages because of scrolling.  They do it because they can get more advertising on the article.  It&#8217;s all about money, not about usability.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254786</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>work for what?

Often you can improve SEO by chunking a long article into multiple pages.

If you are selling CPM ads, more pages equal more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>work for what?</p>
<p>Often you can improve SEO by chunking a long article into multiple pages.</p>
<p>If you are selling CPM ads, more pages equal more money.</p>
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		<title>By: Nik Chankov</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254781</link>
		<dc:creator>Nik Chankov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best way is in the middle - without refreshing page, but paged and done with Ajax. I would love this way :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best way is in the middle &#8211; without refreshing page, but paged and done with Ajax. I would love this way :)</p>
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		<title>By: leonsp</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254777</link>
		<dc:creator>leonsp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long pages with lots of subheadings work, because they allow you to skim by heading. Long pages with sheer blank prose do not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long pages with lots of subheadings work, because they allow you to skim by heading. Long pages with sheer blank prose do not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt K</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/long-pages-work/comment-page-1#comment-254776</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all depends...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends&#8230;</p>
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