Comments on: Mozilla Prism update makes it easy to create wrappers http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 17 May 2012 07:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: temsa http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-262084 temsa Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:55:23 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-262084 oops, not the right tab for my previous comment, sorry :/ oops, not the right tab for my previous comment, sorry :/

]]> By: temsa http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-262083 temsa Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:54:31 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-262083 Can't even access the demo using Minefield (not authorized : bad user agent test ?) Can’t even access the demo using Minefield (not authorized : bad user agent test ?)

]]> By: polterguy http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-262013 polterguy Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:43:13 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-262013 @all You are totally right in that this is just removing browser chrome, none the less it shows Mozillas taking AIR and WPF seriously which is why I think it's the most great ;) @joshtynjala You are of course right in that AIR and WPF adds functionality, though in that process they also render themselves incompatible with the Flex and Silverlight companion versions of themselves which means you basically have little advantage since you need to create two versions of your app anyway... One offline and on online version ;) Also for both WPF and AIR there's also always the question of security. "To allow or not to allow". What you would allow an ActiveX object rendered at "some website" to do might be a totally different thing than what you'd allow a downloaded and installed "EXE file" to do on your local system. I think the whole AIR/WPF discussion is really weird. After all it's nothing more than "Desktop 2.0"... @all
You are totally right in that this is just removing browser chrome, none the less it shows Mozillas taking AIR and WPF seriously which is why I think it’s the most great ;)
@joshtynjala
You are of course right in that AIR and WPF adds functionality, though in that process they also render themselves incompatible with the Flex and Silverlight companion versions of themselves which means you basically have little advantage since you need to create two versions of your app anyway…
One offline and on online version ;)
Also for both WPF and AIR there’s also always the question of security. “To allow or not to allow”. What you would allow an ActiveX object rendered at “some website” to do might be a totally different thing than what you’d allow a downloaded and installed “EXE file” to do on your local system. I think the whole AIR/WPF discussion is really weird. After all it’s nothing more than “Desktop 2.0″…

]]> By: Scriptor http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-262002 Scriptor Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:13:46 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-262002 This is nowhere near an actual desktop integration tool for web apps. Like the others said, it just removes the browser chrome. The whole thing is simply extremely superficial and in the end is little more than a shortcut to a web site on the desktop. If Firefox wants to take this further, a good next step would be offline data storage and/or basic access to a limited part of the filesystem. While AIR seems to take the path of web-tech based app on the desktop that has connections with the web, perhaps Prism can take the angle of web apps that connect with the desktops. Combining this with Mozilla Weave would make really interesting possiblities. This is nowhere near an actual desktop integration tool for web apps. Like the others said, it just removes the browser chrome. The whole thing is simply extremely superficial and in the end is little more than a shortcut to a web site on the desktop.

If Firefox wants to take this further, a good next step would be offline data storage and/or basic access to a limited part of the filesystem. While AIR seems to take the path of web-tech based app on the desktop that has connections with the web, perhaps Prism can take the angle of web apps that connect with the desktops. Combining this with Mozilla Weave would make really interesting possiblities.

]]> By: joshtynjala http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-262001 joshtynjala Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:52:41 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-262001 "This is really *GREAT* news and makes the whole AIR/WPF debate hopefully dead ;)" Yeah right. This is just a neat little toy for making navigation to a particular webpage more handy. AIR and WPF add functionality that just isn't available in a regular browser. “This is really *GREAT* news and makes the whole AIR/WPF debate hopefully dead ;)”

Yeah right. This is just a neat little toy for making navigation to a particular webpage more handy. AIR and WPF add functionality that just isn’t available in a regular browser.

]]> By: musicfreak http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-261995 musicfreak Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:08:16 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-261995 I don't see what the hype is all about. All this is doing is getting rid of the browser chrome. Sure, it looks nice on certain websites, but it's not worth all the hype. It says it integrates the web with the desktop, but in reality it's a looong ways away from that. Like I said, all it's doing is making it feel like a desktop application, when it's not even close. It's still a website, running on the technologies all websites are run on: HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc. In order to truly integrate with the desktop, you need to completely change the application, which would most likely require using different technologies. This is why AIR is more effective, because it is actually taking a step in the path of true integration, versus simply removing a couple toolbars from your browser window. AIR allows you to use those other technologies and literally turn your web application into a desktop application that <em>interacts</em> with the web. Two completely different things that are often mistaken to be the same. I don’t see what the hype is all about. All this is doing is getting rid of the browser chrome. Sure, it looks nice on certain websites, but it’s not worth all the hype.

It says it integrates the web with the desktop, but in reality it’s a looong ways away from that. Like I said, all it’s doing is making it feel like a desktop application, when it’s not even close. It’s still a website, running on the technologies all websites are run on: HTML, CSS, JavaScript, etc. In order to truly integrate with the desktop, you need to completely change the application, which would most likely require using different technologies. This is why AIR is more effective, because it is actually taking a step in the path of true integration, versus simply removing a couple toolbars from your browser window. AIR allows you to use those other technologies and literally turn your web application into a desktop application that interacts with the web. Two completely different things that are often mistaken to be the same.

]]> By: PedroBatista http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-261989 PedroBatista Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:14:11 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-261989 What do you guys think about using Prism in a small enterprise world? A Java back end with Myslq and the front end in html/js with Prism? The "server" and the "client" are in the same computer, basically a desktop app made with web technology. Is it good enough? too much overhead for a desktop app (for invoices, simple stock management, etc)? How about security? I think, IF the previous points are addressed in a "good enough" way, Prism is a very serious competitor, because if some day the costumer wants to use the app while he is in another city, or in another place without his computer, there is absolutely no problem. And runs on Windows 2000,XP,Vista, Linux, OSX, Solaris etc. What do you guys think about using Prism in a small enterprise world? A Java back end with Myslq and the front end in html/js with Prism?

The “server” and the “client” are in the same computer, basically a desktop app made with web technology. Is it good enough? too much overhead for a desktop app (for invoices, simple stock management, etc)?
How about security?

I think, IF the previous points are addressed in a “good enough” way, Prism is a very serious competitor, because if some day the costumer wants to use the app while he is in another city, or in another place without his computer, there is absolutely no problem. And runs on Windows 2000,XP,Vista, Linux, OSX, Solaris etc.

]]> By: polterguy http://ajaxian.com/archives/mozilla-prism-update-makes-it-easy-to-create-wrappers/comment-page-1#comment-261981 polterguy Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:56:07 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=3419#comment-261981 This is really *GREAT* news and makes the whole AIR/WPF debate hopefully dead ;) This is really *GREAT* news and makes the whole AIR/WPF debate hopefully dead ;)

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