Comments on: Opera comes out with new JavaScript engine in Carakan, new hardware API in Vega http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: iliad http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271152 iliad Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:32:30 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271152 If they share the VM engines, there's no competition, and less incentive to push for better and faster implementations. This way they keep trying to outdo each other - and that's good. If they share the VM engines, there’s no competition, and less incentive to push for better and faster implementations. This way they keep trying to outdo each other – and that’s good.

]]> By: BartekG http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271146 BartekG Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:55:21 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271146 @Amtiskaw I hate the default setup of Opera (lots of buttons, dark theme, etc.) but when it comes to change things according to your own preferences Opera's UI is actually the most flexible out there (not counting coding your own add-ons for Firefox). First thing: there's no other browser with a theme as good as Tango CL IMHO. And the big thing is that you don't have to visit any page and/or restart the browser to install the new skin. Tabs bar? Well, I prefere tabs above address bar but it is possible to move them below. As you've said you can clone the address field, and another way is described there: http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/tab-bar-below-address-bar I admit that being forced to utilize such tricks is annoying (especially when you reinstall the browser often) - but it's still easier than playing with tabs in other browsers, where they are almost untouchable. As for disabling the file menu bar: this one is pretty much straightforward http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/toggle-remove-menu-bar @Amtiskaw
I hate the default setup of Opera (lots of buttons, dark theme, etc.) but when it comes to change things according to your own preferences Opera’s UI is actually the most flexible out there (not counting coding your own add-ons for Firefox).

First thing: there’s no other browser with a theme as good as Tango CL IMHO. And the big thing is that you don’t have to visit any page and/or restart the browser to install the new skin.
Tabs bar? Well, I prefere tabs above address bar but it is possible to move them below. As you’ve said you can clone the address field, and another way is described there: http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/tab-bar-below-address-bar
I admit that being forced to utilize such tricks is annoying (especially when you reinstall the browser often) – but it’s still easier than playing with tabs in other browsers, where they are almost untouchable.
As for disabling the file menu bar: this one is pretty much straightforward http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/toggle-remove-menu-bar

]]> By: Amtiskaw http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271144 Amtiskaw Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:36:41 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271144 @ywg The dark, ugly skin. The equally ugly windows native skin. The ugly tabs, that don't mesh with the content below. The ugly, inconsistent, blurry icons. The horrible toolbar system: I can't move the tab bar below the address bar, so to get the tabs on the bottom I have to clone the address bar into the main bar and disable the address bar. Dragging an icon clones it rather than moving it. I can't move/disable the file menu bar (I have a 26" wide monitor, so I'm wasting a huge horizontal strip). Just the general cheap and thrown-together feeling of the whole interface. @ywg
The dark, ugly skin. The equally ugly windows native skin. The ugly tabs, that don’t mesh with the content below. The ugly, inconsistent, blurry icons. The horrible toolbar system: I can’t move the tab bar below the address bar, so to get the tabs on the bottom I have to clone the address bar into the main bar and disable the address bar. Dragging an icon clones it rather than moving it. I can’t move/disable the file menu bar (I have a 26″ wide monitor, so I’m wasting a huge horizontal strip). Just the general cheap and thrown-together feeling of the whole interface.

]]> By: TNO http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271142 TNO Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:51:41 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271142 <b>Wouldn’t it be nice if they could share effort?</b> I think competition is better medicine in this case. Its still soon to tell which browser's engine approach will be the fastest. Though from what I understand from Andreas Gal's paper and writings, I think Mozilla+Adobe has a very realistic chance with their approach. Guess we'll have to wait and see, and keep checking those benchmarks Wouldn’t it be nice if they could share effort?
I think competition is better medicine in this case. Its still soon to tell which browser’s engine approach will be the fastest. Though from what I understand from Andreas Gal’s paper and writings, I think Mozilla+Adobe has a very realistic chance with their approach. Guess we’ll have to wait and see, and keep checking those benchmarks

]]> By: ywg http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271138 ywg Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:14:21 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271138 What do you reproaches to Opera UI (except their ugly dark skin) ? . It seems pretty good for me. If you look a few years back (firefox 1.5) you'll see that Opera UI stayed pretty much the same while Firefox took a lot to Opera. What do you reproaches to Opera UI (except their ugly dark skin) ?
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It seems pretty good for me. If you look a few years back (firefox 1.5) you’ll see that Opera UI stayed pretty much the same while Firefox took a lot to Opera.

]]> By: Amtiskaw http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271137 Amtiskaw Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:36:55 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271137 I don't understand, they invest all this time an energy in engineering better Javascript and graphics, but they won't spent the relatively tiny amount of effort to address the user interface problems that have dogged their product for years. Their sheer bloody-minded refusal to produce a more attractive or flexible UI is baffling, as it surely puts off far more users than the lack of a register based VM. I don’t understand, they invest all this time an energy in engineering better Javascript and graphics, but they won’t spent the relatively tiny amount of effort to address the user interface problems that have dogged their product for years. Their sheer bloody-minded refusal to produce a more attractive or flexible UI is baffling, as it surely puts off far more users than the lack of a register based VM.

]]> By: BartekG http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271133 BartekG Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:49:33 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271133 Shame we won't get Carakan and Vega with Opera 10. Shame we won’t get Carakan and Vega with Opera 10.

]]> By: lowik http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271131 lowik Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:30:00 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271131 Ok. My mistake sorry. Ok. My mistake sorry.

]]> By: ywg http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271130 ywg Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:23:46 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271130 I think everyone here knows that. . What Dion meant is that "Carakan VM [...] is currently 2.5 times faster than their existing one (-according to- SunSpider) I think everyone here knows that.
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What Dion meant is that “Carakan VM [...] is currently 2.5 times faster than their existing one (-according to- SunSpider)

]]> By: lowik http://ajaxian.com/archives/opera-carakan-vega/comment-page-1#comment-271129 lowik Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:17:04 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5882#comment-271129 SunSpider is a JavaScript <a href="http://www2.webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html" rel="nofollow">benchmark</a>. SpiderMonkey is a Gecko's JavaScript engine. SunSpider is a JavaScript benchmark. SpiderMonkey is a Gecko’s JavaScript engine.

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