Wednesday, December 23rd, 2009
Orderly JSON
Lloyd Hilaiel of Yahoo! BrowserPlus fame, has a little holiday gift for us. He has created a simple library called Orderly that "is a textual format for describing JSON. Orderly can be compiled into JSONSchema. It is designed to be easy to read and write."
He shares:
A little bit of orderly...
JAVASCRIPT:
...describes a little bit of JSON...
JAVASCRIPT:
...and compiles into JSONSchema.
JAVASCRIPT:
Go into detail on Orderly in the documentation or try the
interactive by-directional Orderly - JSONSchema area.
3 rating from 29 votes
looks cool, but what happens after the year 3000?!
So it’s basically the old ascii plist format?
I just hope by the year 3000, we have something better than HTML + JS, heh.
Why in the `homepage` is the rule-set after the name, but in the following line the rule-set is before the name?
It should be noted, that this is not done in JavaScript. Its a C code thingy.
I recently started to use JSONSchema to describe and validate API-fields (salesking.eu). I have read all the post about orderly here and considered it too, but it did not make much sense for me to use it.
Why?
The syntax is, in my view, not so easy to read and to parse like a plain json. Orderly say it dismisses some schema properties, but actually you don’t need to use those anyway. And where is the sense of compiling it back to json so others can interpret it?
I am using ruby on the server side and will publish an api-helper gem which contains the schema. This can be easily used in other languages(php/js/java) without the need to reparse. So as with xml, json gives you nice decoupling from the language, which is more important than writing less description-code.
You can try propagating Orderly further, but i think it will not be the big shoot everybody is waiting for.
@bluevoodoo1 by the year 3000 everything there is to invent will already be thought up?
@d4rkl1gh7 nice analogy. It’s also been likened to RelaxNG’s compact syntax (which was a latent influencer). I hope that everyone can compare it to something, then go guess the syntax.
@Aimos An initial primary motivation of orderly was to be able to document web apis in a clearer and more rigorous way (currently most people just post example output). From the likes of it, it sounds like you feel even that should be left to an example instance document (in which case the reader intuits the “schema” based on this single instance) or with jsonschema. If you feel this way, well, you might have sunk my battleship. I’ll have to think up a different holiday present for you. Do you like legos?
PLEASE let JSON as simple as it is. If you need to specify type, comment, etc. and if you need to validate with a schema you can use XML.
There is no need to make a thing so simple and clear to something than already exist (and that nobody want to use).
I couldn’t agree more with fpiat – why cock up something that works so well due to its minimalistic flexibility?
@fpiat & sixtyseconds,
Erm… You do realize this is optional right? Not an addition to the JSON spec… Ergo, JSON stays simple…
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This is just a tool for programmers that need to build well tested, well formed, robust and safe applications.
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