Comments on: Patents Gone Wild: Ajax and Rich Media http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 17 May 2012 07:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: BPL http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-260449 BPL Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:51:44 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-260449 They may have a patent but I don't believe that if they tried to take someone to court they would actually win. I am not sure what their purpose in doing this is except as an experiment to see how they can manipulate the system. The online services available on the internet as it is are borrowed from each other so much that maybe they are doing what they can to protect themselves even if it is a bit odd. They may have a patent but I don’t believe that if they tried to take someone to court they would actually win. I am not sure what their purpose in doing this is except as an experiment to see how they can manipulate the system. The online services available on the internet as it is are borrowed from each other so much that maybe they are doing what they can to protect themselves even if it is a bit odd.

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]]> By: Mario Pintaric http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-107512 Mario Pintaric Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:26:23 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-107512 X Windows predates and (fortunately) invalidates most of the asinine patent ideas that are likely to be brought forward by the those that want to assert control over rich media and the net. X Windows was ahead of its time, and is a largely misunderstood technology that is still ahead of most of today’s modest imitators like Flash. The very nature of X Windows causes every aspect of the user’s experience to "modify" on the fly the rich content that is delivered remotely. Just by clicking on a button, you are “authoring” a remote experience. X Windows is better then Flash, is better then XAML, is better then SVG and will likely remain better then re-invention xyz of the future. Its major flaw is that our network (read internet) systems aren’t yet ready for it because it thrives on lots of low lag bandwidth. Flash is X Windows bundled in monolithic lumps, with an interpreter thrown in to the mix. Many, if not most of the patents of this ilk are ludicrous attempts at a money grab. Oh, did I mention OpenGL and GLX ... more prior art dumb patent killers. X Windows predates and (fortunately) invalidates most of the asinine patent ideas that are likely to be brought forward by the those that want to assert control over rich media and the net.

X Windows was ahead of its time, and is a largely misunderstood technology that is still ahead of most of today’s modest imitators like Flash. The very nature of X Windows causes every aspect of the user’s experience to “modify” on the fly the rich content that is delivered remotely. Just by clicking on a button, you are “authoring” a remote experience.

X Windows is better then Flash, is better then XAML, is better then SVG and will likely remain better then re-invention xyz of the future. Its major flaw is that our network (read internet) systems aren’t yet ready for it because it thrives on lots of low lag bandwidth.

Flash is X Windows bundled in monolithic lumps, with an interpreter thrown in to the mix. Many, if not most of the patents of this ilk are ludicrous attempts at a money grab.

Oh, did I mention OpenGL and GLX … more prior art dumb patent killers.

]]> By: Beyond Caffeine » Patents For the Web? http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-4270 Beyond Caffeine » Patents For the Web? Mon, 06 Mar 2006 04:03:53 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-4270 [...] How far will this go? I have read many of the online discussions regarding the new patent granted to Balthaser. [...] [...] How far will this go? I have read many of the online discussions regarding the new patent granted to Balthaser. [...]

]]> By: Tom Stewart http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-4054 Tom Stewart Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:05:26 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-4054 Actually, the patent patents the online (via the Internet) creation and/or modification of websites via user accounts. It patents (at least to my understanding after reading the patent text) any <acronym title="Content Management System">CMS</acronym> that is based on FLASH. It says <strong>nothing</strong> of AJAX directly. It talks extensively of scenes (i.e. FLASH) and the methods, processes and technology of how most <acronym title="Content Management System">CMS</acronym> applications (such as Mambo, EZPublish, etc.) create RIA. I think they've patented a particular methodology like a chemist would patent a chemical formula or a computer scientist would patent an algorithm. Actually, the patent patents the online (via the Internet) creation and/or modification of websites via user accounts. It patents (at least to my understanding after reading the patent text) any CMS that is based on FLASH. It says nothing of AJAX directly. It talks extensively of scenes (i.e. FLASH) and the methods, processes and technology of how most CMS applications (such as Mambo, EZPublish, etc.) create RIA. I think they’ve patented a particular methodology like a chemist would patent a chemical formula or a computer scientist would patent an algorithm.

]]> By: Doru http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-4036 Doru Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:56:29 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-4036 ... i wonder why didn't m$ think of this ... it's more like m$'s style :)) … i wonder why didn’t m$ think of this … it’s more like m$’s style :))

]]> By: Rafael Simon Garcia http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-4028 Rafael Simon Garcia Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:45:18 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-4028 still, it IS the first implementation for this kind of application so the patent is good still, it IS the first implementation for this kind of application so the patent is good

]]> By: Rafael Simon Garcia http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-4027 Rafael Simon Garcia Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:44:38 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-4027 actually what i think they pattented is the webapp for creating flash sites, wich to me is not a new idea ( web applications ) since many ppl predict all apps will be hosted, and computers will just become dummy boxes with a monitor, a kb, a mouse and a high speed internet connection so the box can connect and the entire system: OS, and the rest of the software will be available online actually what i think they pattented is the webapp for creating flash sites, wich to me is not a new idea ( web applications ) since many ppl predict all apps will be hosted, and computers will just become dummy boxes with a monitor, a kb, a mouse and a high speed internet connection so the box can connect and the entire system: OS, and the rest of the software will be available online

]]> By: Big Dogs http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3991 Big Dogs Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:34:09 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3991 I still can't get over the audacity these people had in thinking they could patent such a thing. I literally can't wrap my head around it! And then to think they include future technologies as well? I still can’t get over the audacity these people had in thinking they could patent such a thing. I literally can’t wrap my head around it! And then to think they include future technologies as well?

]]> By: Jeff Houser http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3990 Jeff Houser Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:07:59 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3990 The CNET article was very different than my interpertation of the patent. So, I thought I'd clarify. If you read through the patent, it appears that they actually patented the process of creating / updating 'information' over the Internet. As such, Flash would not be in violation of the patent (because we don't create it over the Internet; only deploy it there). However, certain Flash Applications might be in violation (depending what they do). As such, if they were going to be enforcing this legally, companies like Amazon, Google, eBay would probably be higher targets than Macromedia. IANAL (and I didn't read through the full 75 page patent either) The CNET article was very different than my interpertation of the patent. So, I thought I’d clarify.

If you read through the patent, it appears that they actually patented the process of creating / updating ‘information’ over the Internet. As such, Flash would not be in violation of the patent (because we don’t create it over the Internet; only deploy it there). However, certain Flash Applications might be in violation (depending what they do).

As such, if they were going to be enforcing this legally, companies like Amazon, Google, eBay would probably be higher targets than Macromedia.

IANAL (and I didn’t read through the full 75 page patent either)

]]> By: Digital Backcountry - Ryan Stewart's Blog http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3988 Digital Backcountry - Ryan Stewart's Blog Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:06:09 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3988 <strong>Flash Platform Week in Review (Feb 18 - Feb 24)</strong> After a bit of a hiatus, the week in review is back, but since I took a couple of weeks off this is just going to be a jumble of Flash items I've seen recently. Flash Platform Week in Review (Feb 18 – Feb 24)

After a bit of a hiatus, the week in review is back, but since I took a couple of weeks off this is just going to be a jumble of Flash items I’ve seen recently.

]]> By: Ara Pehlivanian http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3978 Ara Pehlivanian Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:04:21 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3978 It could be that they thought they were granting a patent for a household cleaner. You know, what with them knowing absolutely nothing about the tech sector (read:Blackberry) and being presented with a document with the word "Ajax" in it. *sigh* the lunacy of it all. It could be that they thought they were granting a patent for a household cleaner. You know, what with them knowing absolutely nothing about the tech sector (read:Blackberry) and being presented with a document with the word “Ajax” in it.

*sigh* the lunacy of it all.

]]> By: Mark Holton http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3947 Mark Holton Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:35:40 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3947 The article on CNET stated: "Adobe, one of the market leaders in the rich-media space, is expected to respond to Balthaser's patent award on Thursday." Did anyone see a response today from Adobe? If so, can you post in a comment? I couldn't find one. Thanks -Mark The article on CNET stated:
“Adobe, one of the market leaders in the rich-media space, is expected to respond to Balthaser’s patent award on Thursday.”

Did anyone see a response today from Adobe? If so, can you post in a comment? I couldn’t find one.

Thanks
-Mark

]]> By: benb http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3933 benb Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:28:01 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3933 Michael is correct. While the patent system is in fact broken to a degree. This is just another case of people misreading and making something out of nothing. Besides, claiming a patent is one thing, having it hold up is another. I can claim I invented air, but it takes more than some claims. Again, this patent, in actually reading it, covers the creation of rich media applications online via such things as listed above. Not the actual rich media itself. bb Michael is correct. While the patent system is in fact broken to a degree. This is just another case of people misreading and making something out of nothing. Besides, claiming a patent is one thing, having it hold up is another. I can claim I invented air, but it takes more than some claims.

Again, this patent, in actually reading it, covers the creation of rich media applications online via such things as listed above. Not the actual rich media itself.

bb

]]> By: Sean Fousheé http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3924 Sean Fousheé Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:25:29 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3924 @ Michael - If thats true, and its far more reasonable than what we've all been thinking, then I'm left wondering if the platform really makes this patent unique and valid. The web can be viewed as nothing more than a simple platform, not unlike OS X or Windows in its ability to support individual applications using a native language (JavaScript/XML/XHTML). Couldn't this patent then be compared to a software company trying to say their software, which is the same as Brand X, deserves a patent because it runs on Linux instead of Windows? Flash and Director were two of the pioneering applications for the development of rich internet applications available before 1999; and just because they used the Mac/Windows platforms instead of the web and Lingo/Actionscript instead of Javascript et al to author their products doesn't give Balthisar a right to a patent. @ Michael – If thats true, and its far more reasonable than what we’ve all been thinking, then I’m left wondering if the platform really makes this patent unique and valid. The web can be viewed as nothing more than a simple platform, not unlike OS X or Windows in its ability to support individual applications using a native language (JavaScript/XML/XHTML). Couldn’t this patent then be compared to a software company trying to say their software, which is the same as Brand X, deserves a patent because it runs on Linux instead of Windows?

Flash and Director were two of the pioneering applications for the development of rich internet applications available before 1999; and just because they used the Mac/Windows platforms instead of the web and Lingo/Actionscript instead of Javascript et al to author their products doesn’t give Balthisar a right to a patent.

]]> By: Borga http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3917 Borga Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:34:51 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3917 Isn't that similar to patent links that was tried a couple of years ago? Isn’t that similar to patent links that was tried a couple of years ago?

]]> By: Blues http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3914 Blues Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:29:14 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3914 Insanity I tell you! Insanity! Insanity I tell you! Insanity!

]]> By: Michael McCorry http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3896 Michael McCorry Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:07:59 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3896 I think the patent applies more to giving users the ability to create rich-media services ONLINE. Basically, a web app to create flash presentations, essentially a Flash version of a Flash authoring tool. It's a product Balthaser have been developing for years, if I remember correctly. I think the patent applies more to giving users the ability to create rich-media services ONLINE. Basically, a web app to create flash presentations, essentially a Flash version of a Flash authoring tool. It’s a product Balthaser have been developing for years, if I remember correctly.

]]> By: Dave http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3894 Dave Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:41:09 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3894 Doesn't the existence of rich Internet apps at the time this was filed clearly count as prior art? i.e. the thing they tried to patent was already in production when they submitted the patent? Unless there are details to the patent (a specific type of rich media app for example) that the post didn't mention? Doesn’t the existence of rich Internet apps at the time this was filed clearly count as prior art? i.e. the thing they tried to patent was already in production when they submitted the patent?

Unless there are details to the patent (a specific type of rich media app for example) that the post didn’t mention?

]]> By: Dave http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media/comment-page-1#comment-3893 Dave Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:39:50 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/patents-gone-wild-ajax-and-rich-media#comment-3893 Doesn't the existence of rich Internet apps at the time this was filed clearly count as prior art? i.e. the thing they tried to patent was already in production when they submitted the patent? Unless there are details to the patent (i.e. a specific type of rich media app) that the post didn't mention? Doesn’t the existence of rich Internet apps at the time this was filed clearly count as prior art? i.e. the thing they tried to patent was already in production when they submitted the patent?

Unless there are details to the patent (i.e. a specific type of rich media app) that the post didn’t mention?

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