Comments on: Plugging in to the Dojo Grid

By: Ryan

Ryan — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:49:44 +0000

I meant that as a response to the initial question from Les, not Jep – sorry for the confusion.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:46:18 +0000

Jep, As someone else evaluating Dojo and Ext right now, I think it comes down to 2 issues: accessibility and look & feel. Dojo has excellent support for accessibility, via ARIA, but doesn't look so great, with rendering bugs in IE - at least in 0.9. Ext has excellent, pixel perfect, look and feel, but is currently not doing anything about accessibility. Long term, I think both frameworks will need to deal with these issues. I have high hopes for Dojo 1.0 and the integration of the new grid, but like many others, don't have the luxury of waiting for it. It's definitely an exciting time though. Ext and Dojo both have fairly mature core frameworks that are well written and easy to extend. It will be interesting to see how things have changed a year from now.

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:41:33 +0000

-ckeene
2) that commercial support for that functionality (and for the rest of Dojo too) will be available

This is not a new concept; several vendors already bundle dojo into their commercial offering, offer support, and training. It’s nice that there will be one more but it is not unique;

By: ckeene

ckeene — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:49:30 +0000

I think there are two really good pieces of news here: 1) that a significant new chunk of functionality will be available open source under Dojo; and 2) that commercial support for that functionality (and for the rest of Dojo too) will be available. This will make Dojo a viable choice not just for the open source community and “don’t ask/don’t tell” open source users within IT, but also for the core IT groups that want to adopt AJAX.

By: Robert Buffone

Robert Buffone — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:19:22 +0000

I am really excited that this has happened. The open sourcing of any code is good for the community as a whole not just Dojo users. The approach Dojo took to bring this together was really interesting and getting a bunch of entities together to bring things like this to completion is never easy. Working at Nexaweb, I’m glad we were involved and would like to thanks all those who helped to make it happen!

Good Job Everyone!

By: Jep Castelein

Jep Castelein — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:23:42 +0000

Jack & Alex: thanks for the clarification: I’ll take a closer look at both Ext and the TurboAjax grid.

By: Stuart Guthrie

Stuart Guthrie — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:14:45 +0000

It’s a great contribution but I think that the turbo guys might want to avoid confusion by updating their website. I jumped to the same conclusion Paolo.

By: Alex Russell

Alex Russell — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:40:40 +0000

Jep,

Jack’s quite right. EXT has evolved well past it’s previous dependence on external libraries. Additionally, Dojo has been trimmed down to the point where “adopting” Dojo is a relatively minor choice. Also, the TurboAjax grid was never “stand-alone” per sae; it always required Dojo, even in its previous incarnations. The new version will deepen those ties where it’s sensible, but not beyond that.

By: Jack Slocum

Jack Slocum — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:23:51 +0000

Jep,
While your statement was true a while back, I think you should take another look. Ext is much more than a few widgets that sit on top of YUI.

By: Jep Castelein

Jep Castelein — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:08:30 +0000

I’m not an expert with either Dojo or Ext, but I would say that Dojo is a real framework and Ext is more focused on Widgets with YUI underneath. Ext is easier to use, but not as feature-rich as Dojo. If you just need 1 or 2 widgets, Ext might be a better choice. Although I’m not sure if the TurboAjax grid changes this: is it worth adopting Dojo just to use the grid? Or can you still use the grid stand-alone?

By: Les

Les — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:48:13 +0000

How does Dojo 0.9 compare with the Ext 2.0 framework as far as ease of use, features and documentation? Did anyone try to compare these two frameworks?

By: Paolo Montrasio

Paolo Montrasio — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:49:40 +0000

Alex,
thank you for pointing this out. This is exceptionally good news!

By: Alex Russell

Alex Russell — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:45:38 +0000

Paolo:

The announcement today is about the terms changing to be in line with the rest of Dojo. The TurboAjax Grid is going 100% free and open in Dojo 1.0. No distribution of your code will be required in any form. It is these new terms, in conjunction with the work being done to update the grid for 1.0, which forms the basis of this announcement.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

Regards