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	<title>Comments on: Raphaël: Simple graphics wrapper on top of SVG and VML</title>
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		<title>By: Hans Schmucker</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/raphael-simple-graphics-wrapper-on-top-of-svg-and-vml/comment-page-1#comment-266540</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Schmucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very simple way to get SVG into a HTML document is through IFrames and DataUrls. Actually, it&#039;s also a very clean way to get VML into HTML using javascript urls.

&lt;object type=&quot;image/svg+xml&quot; style=&quot;border:none;&quot;
data=&#039;data:image/svg+xml,&lt;?xml version=&quot;1.0&quot; standalone=&quot;no&quot;?&gt;
&lt;svg 
xmlns:svg=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2000/svg&quot; 
xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/2000/svg&quot; version=&quot;1.0&quot; 
&gt;
&lt;circle cx=&quot;0&quot; cy=&quot;0&quot; r=&quot;30&quot; style=&quot;fill:rgb(0,0,0)&quot; /&gt;
&lt;/svg&gt;&#039;
width=&quot;320&quot;
height=&quot;240&quot;
&gt;&lt;/object&gt;

&lt;iframe style=&quot;width:320px;height:240px;&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot;
src=&#039;javascript:%27&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;style&gt;v\\: * { behavior:url(#default#VML);display:inline-block }&lt;/style&gt;&lt;xml:namespace ns=&quot;urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml&quot; prefix=&quot;v&quot; /&gt;&lt;v:oval style=&quot;height:60px;width:60px&quot; coordsize=&quot;21600,21600&quot; style=&quot;position:absolute;left:-30px;top:-30px;&quot; fillcolor=&quot;black&quot; strokecolor=&quot;none&quot; /&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;%27;&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very simple way to get SVG into a HTML document is through IFrames and DataUrls. Actually, it&#8217;s also a very clean way to get VML into HTML using javascript urls.</p>
<p>&lt;object type=&#8221;image/svg+xml&#8221; style=&#8221;border:none;&#8221;<br />
data=&#8217;data:image/svg+xml,&lt;?xml version=&#8221;1.0&#8243; standalone=&#8221;no&#8221;?&gt;<br />
&lt;svg<br />
xmlns:svg=&#8221;http://www.w3.org/2000/svg&#8221;<br />
xmlns=&#8221;http://www.w3.org/2000/svg&#8221; version=&#8221;1.0&#8243;<br />
&gt;<br />
&lt;circle cx=&#8221;0&#8243; cy=&#8221;0&#8243; r=&#8221;30&#8243; style=&#8221;fill:rgb(0,0,0)&#8221; /&gt;<br />
&lt;/svg&gt;&#8217;<br />
width=&#8221;320&#8243;<br />
height=&#8221;240&#8243;<br />
&gt;&lt;/object&gt;</p>
<p>&lt;iframe style=&#8221;width:320px;height:240px;&#8221; frameborder=&#8221;0&#8243;<br />
src=&#8217;javascript:%27&lt;html&gt;&lt;head&gt;&lt;/head&gt;&lt;body&gt;&lt;style&gt;v\\: * { behavior:url(#default#VML);display:inline-block }&lt;/style&gt;&lt;xml:namespace ns=&#8221;urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml&#8221; prefix=&#8221;v&#8221; /&gt;&lt;v:oval style=&#8221;height:60px;width:60px&#8221; coordsize=&#8221;21600,21600&#8243; style=&#8221;position:absolute;left:-30px;top:-30px;&#8221; fillcolor=&#8221;black&#8221; strokecolor=&#8221;none&#8221; /&gt;&lt;/body&gt;&lt;/html&gt;%27;&#8217;<br />
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		<title>By: matanlurey</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/raphael-simple-graphics-wrapper-on-top-of-svg-and-vml/comment-page-1#comment-266539</link>
		<dc:creator>matanlurey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@elfpoet: I can&#039;t remember the source, but canvas was found to be significantly faster than SVG. The speed difference was negligible on static images, but anything dynamic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@elfpoet: I can&#8217;t remember the source, but canvas was found to be significantly faster than SVG. The speed difference was negligible on static images, but anything dynamic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: elfpoet</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/raphael-simple-graphics-wrapper-on-top-of-svg-and-vml/comment-page-1#comment-266537</link>
		<dc:creator>elfpoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pertaining to Canvas vs. SVG/VML in general, have there been any benchmarks regarding performance for each?  IMO, a thin API on top of the OS drawing API (Canvas) would be faster than DOM manipulation (although obviously we can&#039;t test Canvas against VML yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pertaining to Canvas vs. SVG/VML in general, have there been any benchmarks regarding performance for each?  IMO, a thin API on top of the OS drawing API (Canvas) would be faster than DOM manipulation (although obviously we can&#8217;t test Canvas against VML yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Schiemann</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/raphael-simple-graphics-wrapper-on-top-of-svg-and-vml/comment-page-1#comment-266536</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan Schiemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sashaklar: actually, there&#039;s a way around this... check out the dojox.gfx source code as it works with html pages as well.

@rborn: there&#039;s really no reason someone couldn&#039;t use dojox.gfx with jQuery or Mootools or Prototype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sashaklar: actually, there&#8217;s a way around this&#8230; check out the dojox.gfx source code as it works with html pages as well.</p>
<p>@rborn: there&#8217;s really no reason someone couldn&#8217;t use dojox.gfx with jQuery or Mootools or Prototype.</p>
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		<title>By: rborn</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/raphael-simple-graphics-wrapper-on-top-of-svg-and-vml/comment-page-1#comment-266535</link>
		<dc:creator>rborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jaxsphere

dojo is dojo only
this function work nice with mootools(tested by me) and jquery as seen on his page. I think it works with other frameworks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jaxsphere</p>
<p>dojo is dojo only<br />
this function work nice with mootools(tested by me) and jquery as seen on his page. I think it works with other frameworks.</p>
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		<title>By: jaxsphere</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/raphael-simple-graphics-wrapper-on-top-of-svg-and-vml/comment-page-1#comment-266534</link>
		<dc:creator>jaxsphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, what&#039;s new here?  Dojo has had a small cross-platform SVG,VML,Canvas,Silverlight vector graphics api for a year now that does the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, what&#8217;s new here?  Dojo has had a small cross-platform SVG,VML,Canvas,Silverlight vector graphics api for a year now that does the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: sashasklar</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/raphael-simple-graphics-wrapper-on-top-of-svg-and-vml/comment-page-1#comment-266533</link>
		<dc:creator>sashasklar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I considered this SVG/VML over Canvas/VML as a cross-browser graphics solution and ran up against a deal breaker: Mozilla browsers (and possibly others) won&#039;t render SVG fragments unless the page is served as XHTML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I considered this SVG/VML over Canvas/VML as a cross-browser graphics solution and ran up against a deal breaker: Mozilla browsers (and possibly others) won&#8217;t render SVG fragments unless the page is served as XHTML.</p>
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