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		<title>By: Raju</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-78739</link>
		<dc:creator>Raju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today I found this above allegation and please let me respond. The Mohan is an incompetent Crook. He is a coward using alias name. This guy cannot compete with our innovative technology, resort to illegal methods.

Mohan, we have invented next generation technologies:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsdf.com/ep.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; http://www.cbsdf.com/ep.htm&lt;/a&gt; 
If you are competent, just prove our technology wrong:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsdf.com/misc_docs/Can-u-prove.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cbsdf.com/misc_docs/Can-u-prove.htm &lt;/a&gt;. 

Just because my name is Raju and Elansoftâ€™s CEO name is also Raju, he finds a connection. Names such as Raju or Reddy are quite common in India. Millions of people have these names. If one John commits murder, this stupid guy blames that on his nice neighbor John, because this crookâ€™s wife finds him nice, attractive and successful. This kind of crocked tactics show what kind of jerk he is.

This alleged incidence happened in Sepâ€™2002. Due to disputes, I have left Elansoft in Sepâ€™2001, a full year before alleged incident and not spoken to the Elansoft management ever since. If you are not a crock, provide any evidence contradicting this. You are a coward, but I will track you and I take legal action against you for the criminal acts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I found this above allegation and please let me respond. The Mohan is an incompetent Crook. He is a coward using alias name. This guy cannot compete with our innovative technology, resort to illegal methods.</p>
<p>Mohan, we have invented next generation technologies:<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsdf.com/ep.htm" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://www.cbsdf.com/ep.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsdf.com/ep.htm</a><br />
If you are competent, just prove our technology wrong:<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsdf.com/misc_docs/Can-u-prove.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.cbsdf.com/misc_docs/Can-u-prove.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsdf.com/misc_docs/Can-u-prove.htm</a> . </p>
<p>Just because my name is Raju and Elansoftâ€™s CEO name is also Raju, he finds a connection. Names such as Raju or Reddy are quite common in India. Millions of people have these names. If one John commits murder, this stupid guy blames that on his nice neighbor John, because this crookâ€™s wife finds him nice, attractive and successful. This kind of crocked tactics show what kind of jerk he is.</p>
<p>This alleged incidence happened in Sepâ€™2002. Due to disputes, I have left Elansoft in Sepâ€™2001, a full year before alleged incident and not spoken to the Elansoft management ever since. If you are not a crock, provide any evidence contradicting this. You are a coward, but I will track you and I take legal action against you for the criminal acts.</p>
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		<title>By: mohanrao_gs</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-31840</link>
		<dc:creator>mohanrao_gs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys Be Informed !!!
  
Cbsdf.com is back with a new Ajax FRAUD

I am unable to understand what Raju and cbsdf guys  are trying this time.But few years back these frauded (rigged) the XML-J 2002 awards and stole it from OpenOffice, ( Cocoon and Batik as well).

Back then the company name was Elansoft and product was Agileblox

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-users&amp;m=104875540622555&amp;w=2

The below is an old google cached page
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:fdWESVpaqC8J:weblog.halogenlabs.com/%3Fp%3D86+Elansoft+cocoon&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=in&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;client=firefox-a

For this and other business malpractices and sleaze, a complaint was lodged with FBI and  Elansoft closed US office and ran from the law.

http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?forumID=45&amp;threadID=182966

http://www.zdnetasia.com/builder/program/dev/talkback.htm?PROCESS=show&amp;ID=20024225&amp;AT=39062710-39000408_39000406_39000407_39000409_39000410_39000412_39000411_39000413_39000404_39000400_39000402_39000401_39000403_39000405c

I feel, since they escaped FBI last time so easily, they are trying to do it once again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys Be Informed !!!</p>
<p>Cbsdf.com is back with a new Ajax FRAUD</p>
<p>I am unable to understand what Raju and cbsdf guys  are trying this time.But few years back these frauded (rigged) the XML-J 2002 awards and stole it from OpenOffice, ( Cocoon and Batik as well).</p>
<p>Back then the company name was Elansoft and product was Agileblox</p>
<p><a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-users&amp;m=104875540622555&amp;w=2" rel="nofollow">http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-users&amp;m=104875540622555&amp;w=2</a></p>
<p>The below is an old google cached page<br />
<a href="http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:fdWESVpaqC8J:weblog.halogenlabs.com/%3Fp%3D86+Elansoft+cocoon&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=in&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:fdWESVpaqC8J:weblog.halogenlabs.com/%3Fp%3D86+Elansoft+cocoon&amp;hl=en&amp;gl=in&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;client=firefox-a</a></p>
<p>For this and other business malpractices and sleaze, a complaint was lodged with FBI and  Elansoft closed US office and ran from the law.</p>
<p><a href="http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?forumID=45&amp;threadID=182966" rel="nofollow">http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?forumID=45&amp;threadID=182966</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.zdnetasia.com/builder/program/dev/talkback.htm?PROCESS=show&amp;ID=20024225&amp;AT=39062710-39000408_39000406_39000407_39000409_39000410_39000412_39000411_39000413_39000404_39000400_39000402_39000401_39000403_39000405c" rel="nofollow">http://www.zdnetasia.com/builder/program/dev/talkback.htm?PROCESS=show&amp;ID=20024225&amp;AT=39062710-39000408_39000406_39000407_39000409_39000410_39000412_39000411_39000413_39000404_39000400_39000402_39000401_39000403_39000405c</a></p>
<p>I feel, since they escaped FBI last time so easily, they are trying to do it once again</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-9131</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 22:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad this is here - better more ajax than less ajax. Of course it&#039;s going to build a buzz, people - this is a very strong paradigm shift. Thanks for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad this is here &#8211; better more ajax than less ajax. Of course it&#8217;s going to build a buzz, people &#8211; this is a very strong paradigm shift. Thanks for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajaxian &#187; 60 More AJAX Tutorials from Max</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-9115</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajaxian &#187; 60 More AJAX Tutorials from Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 May 2006 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In a follow-up to this popular post from Max Kiesler, he&#8217;s collected 60 more Ajax tutorials from all around the web and for developers of all skill levels. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In a follow-up to this popular post from Max Kiesler, he&#8217;s collected 60 more Ajax tutorials from all around the web and for developers of all skill levels. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dizzle</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8539</link>
		<dc:creator>Dizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 17:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dig that futuristic &quot;swoosh&quot; logo for cbsdf.com :P

Anyway, I&#039;ll throw in another vote for jquery... looks promising...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dig that futuristic &#8220;swoosh&#8221; logo for cbsdf.com :P</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll throw in another vote for jquery&#8230; looks promising&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8535</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/Scales-Dials-Meters.htm
Isnâ€™t interesting, if no other Ajax GUI controls that can control other Ajax components or to get the components communicate with each other using any method, such as:
http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/GUI-Widgets.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/Scales-Dials-Meters.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/Scales-Dials-Meters.htm</a><br />
Isnâ€™t interesting, if no other Ajax GUI controls that can control other Ajax components or to get the components communicate with each other using any method, such as:<br />
<a href="http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/GUI-Widgets.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/GUI-Widgets.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8357</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 12:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link from previous post:
http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/technology/2006/03/01/web-20-and-enterprise-java-move-over-struts/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link from previous post:<br />
<a href="http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/technology/2006/03/01/web-20-and-enterprise-java-move-over-struts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstpartners.net/blog/technology/2006/03/01/web-20-and-enterprise-java-move-over-struts/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8356</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 12:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar Exercise , but focussing on the needs of Enterprise Java Developers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar Exercise , but focussing on the needs of Enterprise Java Developers.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8355</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 11:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

You should review the framework proposed by CBSDF.com. It convincingly argues that all the Ajax toolkits and frameworks have many fundamental limitations and hence totall flawed:
http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/GUI-Widgets.htm
http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/CF-Goog-Charts.htm

The web page proposes new processes to over come those fundamental limitations and provided many examples to back their technologies:
http://cbsdf.com/misc_docs/why-gui-api.htm
http://cbsdf.com/misc_docs/gui-api-brief.htm

The web site argues, history shows that GUI-API for desktop applications (e.g. Delphi/Borland, Windows GUI-API or Java/Swing) is always superior to building our own GUI components from scratch.

It argues, no Ajax toolkit or framework neither offers nor teaches, how to build such reusable GUI Widgets. Hence, even if you spend all the time to create a GUI component, it is very hard to reuse the data-driven Ajax components build using other frameworks. Therefore the web site argues that the other frameworks are flawed!

The web site also proposes an interesting Agile Programming process at:
http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/CF-LC-Figures.htm

Check it for yourself many other examples provided in the web site.

Most of the frameworks are only one or two trick phonies and none of them can offer complete solution. Any other Ajax toolkits or frameworks ever match capabilities of Java/Swing?

Thanks,
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>You should review the framework proposed by CBSDF.com. It convincingly argues that all the Ajax toolkits and frameworks have many fundamental limitations and hence totall flawed:<br />
<a href="http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/GUI-Widgets.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/GUI-Widgets.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/CF-Goog-Charts.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/CF-Goog-Charts.htm</a></p>
<p>The web page proposes new processes to over come those fundamental limitations and provided many examples to back their technologies:<br />
<a href="http://cbsdf.com/misc_docs/why-gui-api.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cbsdf.com/misc_docs/why-gui-api.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://cbsdf.com/misc_docs/gui-api-brief.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cbsdf.com/misc_docs/gui-api-brief.htm</a></p>
<p>The web site argues, history shows that GUI-API for desktop applications (e.g. Delphi/Borland, Windows GUI-API or Java/Swing) is always superior to building our own GUI components from scratch.</p>
<p>It argues, no Ajax toolkit or framework neither offers nor teaches, how to build such reusable GUI Widgets. Hence, even if you spend all the time to create a GUI component, it is very hard to reuse the data-driven Ajax components build using other frameworks. Therefore the web site argues that the other frameworks are flawed!</p>
<p>The web site also proposes an interesting Agile Programming process at:<br />
<a href="http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/CF-LC-Figures.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cbsdf.com/technologies/misc-docs/CF-LC-Figures.htm</a></p>
<p>Check it for yourself many other examples provided in the web site.</p>
<p>Most of the frameworks are only one or two trick phonies and none of them can offer complete solution. Any other Ajax toolkits or frameworks ever match capabilities of Java/Swing?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: David Levy (( Creativity Matters &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 50+ frameworks AJAX &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Levy (( Creativity Matters &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 50+ frameworks AJAX &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 07:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;yet another ajax frameworks list&#8221; : Ajaxian Â» Round-up of 50 AJAX Toolkits and Frameworks. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;yet another ajax frameworks list&#8221; : Ajaxian Â» Round-up of 50 AJAX Toolkits and Frameworks. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8319</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 04:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atlas is the best framework</description>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8308</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 00:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another exhaustive, at least until the next one is made, frameworks list?  Isn&#039;t there a clearinghouse for these things yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another exhaustive, at least until the next one is made, frameworks list?  Isn&#8217;t there a clearinghouse for these things yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Armin</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8304</link>
		<dc:creator>Armin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 23:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moo.fx is just a simple javascript program</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moo.fx is just a simple javascript program</p>
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		<title>By: Mats Henricson</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8301</link>
		<dc:creator>Mats Henricson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 21:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And he missed DWR, which is pretty remarkable...

Mats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And he missed DWR, which is pretty remarkable&#8230;</p>
<p>Mats</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8299</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 21:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blah, *kouch* jquery *kouch*</description>
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		<title>By: krazykarl</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/round-up-of-50-ajax-toolkits-and-frameworks/comment-page-1#comment-8296</link>
		<dc:creator>krazykarl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 19:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he didn&#039;t even include moo.fx - the best framework out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he didn&#8217;t even include moo.fx &#8211; the best framework out there.</p>
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