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		<title>By: Aphrodisiac</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-266243</link>
		<dc:creator>Aphrodisiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Html email are just fine, if it is not broke why fix it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Html email are just fine, if it is not broke why fix it</p>
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		<title>By: Johan SÃ¶lve</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256541</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan SÃ¶lve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://litmusapp.com/ claims they will soon support Lotus Notes. It&#039;s a browser cam for email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://litmusapp.com/" rel="nofollow">http://litmusapp.com/</a> claims they will soon support Lotus Notes. It&#8217;s a browser cam for email.</p>
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		<title>By: eduo</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256375</link>
		<dc:creator>eduo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As several have already stated, this is not a discussion of whether html email is &quot;right&quot;. It&#039;s used, it&#039;s a fact of life. I&#039;ve had my job at risk for arguing with the marketing departments of the places I&#039;ve worked for.

No amount of arguments will convince a marketing type that wants to send HTML emails out that it&#039;s not good when they receive tons of them every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As several have already stated, this is not a discussion of whether html email is &#8220;right&#8221;. It&#8217;s used, it&#8217;s a fact of life. I&#8217;ve had my job at risk for arguing with the marketing departments of the places I&#8217;ve worked for.</p>
<p>No amount of arguments will convince a marketing type that wants to send HTML emails out that it&#8217;s not good when they receive tons of them every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Lipka</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256336</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Lipka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 22:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lotus Notes supported.  Might have been fixed with Hotmail fix.
I need to get that Mac Mini working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lotus Notes supported.  Might have been fixed with Hotmail fix.<br />
I need to get that Mac Mini working.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Lipka</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256320</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Lipka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>* iPhone supported too. (no changes)</description>
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		<title>By: Glen Lipka</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256317</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Lipka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just updated the template a little for Hotmail.  They dont like inline comments, so I had to take them out.  Plus they need text-align:left to specify left-alignment.  So the current supported clients are:
    * Gmail
    * Outlook 2007
    * Outlook 2003
    * Yahoo Mail
    * Thunderbird 2.0.0.6
    * Hotmail (new)
    * Windows Mail (Vista)
    * Windows Live Mail Desktop (Vista)
    * Eudora 7.1.0.9

I haven&#039;t figured out how to test Lotus Notes yet.  Yuck.  And I need to get a litttle mac help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just updated the template a little for Hotmail.  They dont like inline comments, so I had to take them out.  Plus they need text-align:left to specify left-alignment.  So the current supported clients are:<br />
    * Gmail<br />
    * Outlook 2007<br />
    * Outlook 2003<br />
    * Yahoo Mail<br />
    * Thunderbird 2.0.0.6<br />
    * Hotmail (new)<br />
    * Windows Mail (Vista)<br />
    * Windows Live Mail Desktop (Vista)<br />
    * Eudora 7.1.0.9</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t figured out how to test Lotus Notes yet.  Yuck.  And I need to get a litttle mac help.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256309</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and this is great reference stuff. I&#039;m finally getting around to fixing our templates for Outlook 07 and this is gonna help a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and this is great reference stuff. I&#8217;m finally getting around to fixing our templates for Outlook 07 and this is gonna help a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256307</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the haters of HTML email: learn to use your email client. If you&#039;re using a decent one you can set your preferences to the plain text alternate of the email - no HTML.

If the provider does not include a plain text alternate then bitch to them about not following proper practice.

HTML email is not inherently evil, just like Flash is not inherently evil - it can be abused just like everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the haters of HTML email: learn to use your email client. If you&#8217;re using a decent one you can set your preferences to the plain text alternate of the email &#8211; no HTML.</p>
<p>If the provider does not include a plain text alternate then bitch to them about not following proper practice.</p>
<p>HTML email is not inherently evil, just like Flash is not inherently evil &#8211; it can be abused just like everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: bob manc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob manc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way. This looks good in both Eudora 7 (original version) and Eudora 8 (Thunderbird based). 
Anyone tried Apple Mail (another problem client)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way. This looks good in both Eudora 7 (original version) and Eudora 8 (Thunderbird based).<br />
Anyone tried Apple Mail (another problem client)?</p>
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		<title>By: bob manc</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256299</link>
		<dc:creator>bob manc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a discussion about whether to send html emails or not. For whatever the reason, some companies send them out. This is about the best way to deal with that fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a discussion about whether to send html emails or not. For whatever the reason, some companies send them out. This is about the best way to deal with that fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Bodien</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256294</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Bodien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know a few UK SMEs that still use Lotus Notes. Not mine thankfully, but a few others, including some large brand names which I won&#039;t name and shame here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know a few UK SMEs that still use Lotus Notes. Not mine thankfully, but a few others, including some large brand names which I won&#8217;t name and shame here.</p>
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		<title>By: Oskar</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256292</link>
		<dc:creator>Oskar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares, really? I&#039;ve yet to receive a single HTML e-mail worth reading that benefited from the extra layout. I agree with what xxdesmus said; I would be be happy to get rid of all HTML e-mails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares, really? I&#8217;ve yet to receive a single HTML e-mail worth reading that benefited from the extra layout. I agree with what xxdesmus said; I would be be happy to get rid of all HTML e-mails.</p>
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		<title>By: bob manc</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/search-for-the-holy-mail-template/comment-page-1#comment-256289</link>
		<dc:creator>bob manc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can download a trial here. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lsndad/?S_TACT=105AGX13&amp;S_CMP=LSDL
I see they are on version 8 now. I tested it on 7.

We have had some customer tell us they are on Notes, and some on Eudora (not the Thunderbird based version). These are the two platforms that cause me the most headaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can download a trial here. <a href="http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lsndad/?S_TACT=105AGX13&#038;S_CMP=LSDL" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/lsndad/?S_TACT=105AGX13&#038;S_CMP=LSDL</a><br />
I see they are on version 8 now. I tested it on 7.</p>
<p>We have had some customer tell us they are on Notes, and some on Eudora (not the Thunderbird based version). These are the two platforms that cause me the most headaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Lipka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Lipka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can I test in Lotus Notes?  QAnd where is the spec for supported html?  Do people still use Lotus Notes?
I can try and fix it for Notes. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can I test in Lotus Notes?  QAnd where is the spec for supported html?  Do people still use Lotus Notes?<br />
I can try and fix it for Notes. :)</p>
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		<title>By: bob manc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob manc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As expected, Lotus Notes does not render this correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As expected, Lotus Notes does not render this correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: xxdesmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>xxdesmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, we could just get rid of HTML emails? Gee, that would be an idea.

Personally, I hate HTML email with a passion. It is such a waste of time. If I wanted HTML then I&#039;d go to a webpage. If you want to send me HTML, then send me an email with a link to your webpage. This way, I decide if I want to see your ad filled crappy email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, we could just get rid of HTML emails? Gee, that would be an idea.</p>
<p>Personally, I hate HTML email with a passion. It is such a waste of time. If I wanted HTML then I&#8217;d go to a webpage. If you want to send me HTML, then send me an email with a link to your webpage. This way, I decide if I want to see your ad filled crappy email.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, some post messed up Ajaxian. That&#039;s pretty lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, some post messed up Ajaxian. That&#8217;s pretty lame.</p>
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