Comments on: State of Ajax for June 2008: Apple flexes Open Web muscles http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:55:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: eyelidlessness http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265635 eyelidlessness Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:43:46 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265635 @uize: I didn't mean "me too" as in "I'm going to make something too" but as in "I want attention too!" Can you please share some reasons we should take an interest in your project? I've seen you post a lot and just wondered... what? What does uize have to do with [given topic at hand]? And you never seem to answer that. @uize:
I didn’t mean “me too” as in “I’m going to make something too” but as in “I want attention too!” Can you please share some reasons we should take an interest in your project? I’ve seen you post a lot and just wondered… what? What does uize have to do with [given topic at hand]? And you never seem to answer that.

]]> By: uize http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265629 uize Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:59:34 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265629 @eyelidlessness You make good points. On the "me too" front, it's worth pointing out that UIZE existed back in early 2005 when dojo was just a fledgeling. So, UIZE is not really new on the scene. What happened was that, on starting at Zazzle, I pretty much got drawn deep into the mad life of a fast growing startup company, to the detriment of spending the time necessary to prep the framework for others to use. I'm still catching up with documentation (who isn't?).   Anyway, thanks for your well tempered and thoughtful response. I really appreciate it. @eyelidlessness
You make good points. On the “me too” front, it’s worth pointing out that UIZE existed back in early 2005 when dojo was just a fledgeling. So, UIZE is not really new on the scene. What happened was that, on starting at Zazzle, I pretty much got drawn deep into the mad life of a fast growing startup company, to the detriment of spending the time necessary to prep the framework for others to use. I’m still catching up with documentation (who isn’t?).
 
Anyway, thanks for your well tempered and thoughtful response. I really appreciate it.

]]> By: eyelidlessness http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265626 eyelidlessness Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:32:05 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265626 @uize: One thing that might help is to address specific problems your work solves, especially in contrast with its competition. That would provide a lot more motivation for us to check out your work than "me too!" I think the other responses you've gotten were, while unnecessarily acerbic and lacking in helpful suggestions, understandable: why should any of us take time from what we're doing or what we're using to show an interest in your product? Give us a reason beyond the mere fact of its existence. @uize:
One thing that might help is to address specific problems your work solves, especially in contrast with its competition. That would provide a lot more motivation for us to check out your work than “me too!” I think the other responses you’ve gotten were, while unnecessarily acerbic and lacking in helpful suggestions, understandable: why should any of us take time from what we’re doing or what we’re using to show an interest in your product? Give us a reason beyond the mere fact of its existence.

]]> By: PieturP http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265625 PieturP Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:10:14 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265625 @uize: No that's not harsh at all. I'm sorry, but you just keep spamming on and on about your framework, I'm also getting tired of that! There's not a single post here (almost) that you don't spam. Now don't get me wrong: your framework probably is great and you're doing good things (I suppose) for the community, but stop bugging us with that. Besides: if your goal is really about promoting your framework, why bother making a nice looking website instead of this underdesigned uize.com? @uize:
No that’s not harsh at all. I’m sorry, but you just keep spamming on and on about your framework, I’m also getting tired of that! There’s not a single post here (almost) that you don’t spam. Now don’t get me wrong: your framework probably is great and you’re doing good things (I suppose) for the community, but stop bugging us with that.
Besides: if your goal is really about promoting your framework, why bother making a nice looking website instead of this underdesigned uize.com?

]]> By: uize http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265623 uize Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:27:42 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265623 @matanlurey Wow! That's *really* harsh, man. I'm pouring my life into developing code that is available as Open Source, for all to see, use, learn from, take ideas from, etc. It's more of a contribution to the community than the average schmoe is making. So, then you go and attack me for trying to bring a little bit of attention to it. I don't think everyone in the community is so averse to being made aware of other work in the world of Open Source. Way to go to encourage Open Source developers, dude. Now I totally feel like cr*p. @matanlurey
Wow! That’s *really* harsh, man. I’m pouring my life into developing code that is available as Open Source, for all to see, use, learn from, take ideas from, etc. It’s more of a contribution to the community than the average schmoe is making. So, then you go and attack me for trying to bring a little bit of attention to it. I don’t think everyone in the community is so averse to being made aware of other work in the world of Open Source. Way to go to encourage Open Source developers, dude. Now I totally feel like cr*p.

]]> By: uize http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265619 uize Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:39:20 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265619 @Joeri Interesting perspective. I think it'll take a long time to see JS2 having a great effect and being leveraged. We're still trying to kill off IE6 and fully take advantage of PNG and stop worrying about many IE6 related issues. What's more compelling than language sugar is capabilities in the browser. Rich applications start getting really interesting when there are consistent and high performance ways of achieving vector graphics. Unless we start seeing these kinds of powerful visualization capabilities in browsers, Web standards will lose out to other technologies like Flash and - perhaps - Silverlight. @Joeri
Interesting perspective. I think it’ll take a long time to see JS2 having a great effect and being leveraged. We’re still trying to kill off IE6 and fully take advantage of PNG and stop worrying about many IE6 related issues. What’s more compelling than language sugar is capabilities in the browser. Rich applications start getting really interesting when there are consistent and high performance ways of achieving vector graphics. Unless we start seeing these kinds of powerful visualization capabilities in browsers, Web standards will lose out to other technologies like Flash and – perhaps – Silverlight.

]]> By: Joeri http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265616 Joeri Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:43:09 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265616 @shadedecho I think the html5 / js2 / gears stuff will be most important in the long term. The new frameworks we've seen (like sproutcore) are comparable in hype and market effect to their hype predecessors, like extjs, gwt, dojo and so on. Undoubtably those frameworks are really nice, but I don't think they're inherently more powerful (not in the long term at least). @shadedecho
I think the html5 / js2 / gears stuff will be most important in the long term. The new frameworks we’ve seen (like sproutcore) are comparable in hype and market effect to their hype predecessors, like extjs, gwt, dojo and so on. Undoubtably those frameworks are really nice, but I don’t think they’re inherently more powerful (not in the long term at least).

]]> By: matanlurey http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265613 matanlurey Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:50:46 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265613 @Uzie That really wasn't necessary, and I'm sure I speak for most users here when saying shameless self-promotions should seek other sources, it just makes you look desperate. @Uzie

That really wasn’t necessary, and I’m sure I speak for most users here when saying shameless self-promotions should seek other sources, it just makes you look desperate.

]]> By: uize http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265611 uize Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:40:18 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265611 Too bad there's no coverage of developments with the UIZE JavaScript Framework, with it finally now being opened for all to see and downloadable.   http://www.uize.com   Hopefully in time. It certainly was a significant development for the ZUI (Zazzle User Interface) folks at Zazzle. Too bad there’s no coverage of developments with the UIZE JavaScript Framework, with it finally now being opened for all to see and downloadable.
 
http://www.uize.com
 
Hopefully in time. It certainly was a significant development for the ZUI (Zazzle User Interface) folks at Zazzle.

]]> By: shadedecho http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles/comment-page-1#comment-265607 shadedecho Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:01:19 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/state-of-ajax-for-june-2008-apple-flexes-open-web-muscles#comment-265607 yeah, that *is* one heck of a month looking back at all those developments... so the question is, of that list, which ones are the real movers that we need to keep an eye on? yeah, that *is* one heck of a month looking back at all those developments… so the question is, of that list, which ones are the real movers that we need to keep an eye on?

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