Comments on: SVG Web: Making SVG work in IE and beyond

By: kodevicious

kodevicious — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:24:14 +0000

just wanted to give a one up, this fixed the rendering of vectors for openlayers in ie7!

By: ck2

ck2 — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:38:24 +0000

Ah nevermind, just need to check the user-agent for “chromeframe” before sending the “chrome=1″.

By: ck2

ck2 — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:24:43 +0000

So can we stack the content options, is this legal?

header(“X-UA-Compatible: IE=7,chrome=1″);

I guess I’ll have to test it later to see if it falls back to IE7 mode first if the plugin isn’t there or jumps to chrome mode when the plugin is available.

By: robertlovescss

robertlovescss — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:42:18 +0000

svg is kinda crappy. you should checkout canvas

By: stoimen

stoimen — Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:22:49 +0000

That’s really lovely! I’m actually using OpenLayers javascript library which is rendering a vector map on the application I’m working on. There comes the big problem with the vectors and the different browsers.

By: sourceRoot

sourceRoot — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:25:53 +0000

Yeah the RSS feed is full of spam. Me thinkst you’ve been owned (I know its pwned, but I live to buck trends :) ).

By: Jeka911

Jeka911 — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:16:59 +0000

Check out ajaxian rss feed.

By: aarontgrogg

aarontgrogg — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:15:21 +0000

i know i should be more “investigative” on my own, but a simple set of instructions would be really useful on the “Bunch of demos showing it off” page…

By: CaptainN

CaptainN — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:17:11 +0000

Could parts of this be tied together with an html5 library to get html5 and live dom scripting into IE? That would be sweet – say good bye to waiting for MS to update their browser (hint: they never will). To be clear, I’m talking about using a full page flash embed, to render all html5 elements, and skip IE altogether (maybe even use some HaXe tech to make a javascript compiler work).

By: GalloNero

GalloNero — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:05:37 +0000

angle brackets got eaten – First line should read : whether it’s for audio, video or svg.

By: GalloNero

GalloNero — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:04:03 +0000

I think Flash is the way to go for now, whether it is for , or . It’s like a necessary evil to be able to achieve some kind of cross-browser compatability. I’ve put together a site http://www.html5patch.org which is intended as a resource where ‘patches’ like this can be found.

By: SergeyIlinsky

SergeyIlinsky — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:17:29 +0000

@randomrandom: Do not throw too many stones to Microsoft fence – it is this company which implemented drafts of the “modern standards” and other cool technologies that did not end up “specced”, and who heavily promoted them at the time, pity the interest from developers came so late that they lost their interest in what they have done.

As for the standards, implementations and standard-complient browsers, you may consider visiting for example SVG Web project demo page and taking a look at how these [rather primitive] SVG demos look often different when displayed with native renderers in different browsers – SVG is way more “quirky” than HTML.

By: randomrandom

randomrandom — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:11:28 +0000

… and running the demo in IE just crashed my Firefox and explorer.exe. That’s the other thing with Flash.

By: randomrandom

randomrandom — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:02:30 +0000

I understand the need for shims, and I’m going to use it, but– shouldn’t the goal be to get rid of non-standards-compliant browsers and opaque plugins? Instead we’re doing Microsoft’s job and helping them stay in business without adapting their browser to web standards, and we’re perpetuating Adobe Flash. There should at least be an option to make it render really ugly and with warning popups in IE.

By: Darkimmortal

Darkimmortal — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:45:15 +0000

Finally someone realises that Flash is the key to Internet Explorer.

By: SergeyIlinsky

SergeyIlinsky — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:43:54 +0000

@TNO: Falling back to VML in IE is not really an option – its implementation is slow (especially in IE8 where it was [maybe intentionally?] made slower 10 times). Also VML lacks of entire set of filter features, even radial gradient is not radial there and more.

I made an attempt to implement SVG in VML (so no flash) in Ample SDK (managed to implement all basic modules including shapes, path, groups and texts): check a collection of tests on http://www.amplesdk.com/examples/svg/

There is also the event flow properly enabled, but such an implementation can hardly manage to display complex enough S images – there will be significant performance problems.

By: ChrisHarris

ChrisHarris — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:31:37 +0000

I’ve been looking into this as a way to develop more complex ‘Flash like’ home / landing pages without requiring our company to hire Flash developers. So far this seems like a pretty good solution. One thing I’ve had trouble finding is a description of which features are supported. Does anyone know, for example, whether the feBlend filter will be supported for layer effects like multiply?

By: codedread

codedread — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:25:36 +0000

The point of the project is to get IE support for SVG – so I don’t see how using Canvas for this (which is unsupported in IE) would have helped in any way – Canvas doesn’t support the things that SVG does (DOM integration, events, etc).

VML was one option, but Flash was viewed as the superior choice (well-documented, well-supported).

By: TNO

TNO — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:39:10 +0000

Since canvas is supported in all browsers minus IE, why was that not used instead of flash? As for IE browsers, why not fall back on VML and/or inline base64 image manipulation?