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		<title>By: WebDevelopmentBlog</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-274676</link>
		<dc:creator>WebDevelopmentBlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trav1m, the site did tell its users to upgrade if they wanted to get more out of the website ;)

http://www.webdevelopmentblog.net/post/2009/07/25/The-End-of-Internet-Explorer-6-Finally.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trav1m, the site did tell its users to upgrade if they wanted to get more out of the website ;)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webdevelopmentblog.net/post/2009/07/25/The-End-of-Internet-Explorer-6-Finally.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.webdevelopmentblog.net/post/2009/07/25/The-End-of-Internet-Explorer-6-Finally.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: trav1m</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271582</link>
		<dc:creator>trav1m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please translate better. The site did *not* tell its users to upgrade their browsers. It indicated that the users would get more out of the website if they did upgrade their browsers.
.
The &quot;users are sheep&quot; tone seems not to have been present on finn.no, but to have been introduced by the coverage on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please translate better. The site did *not* tell its users to upgrade their browsers. It indicated that the users would get more out of the website if they did upgrade their browsers.<br />
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The &#8220;users are sheep&#8221; tone seems not to have been present on finn.no, but to have been introduced by the coverage on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: icoloma</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271542</link>
		<dc:creator>icoloma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ThomasHansen: You will see people more inclined to read your posts if you paid more attention to what others have posted before.
The facebook support has been already mentioned by Schill. You should also pay attention that 8 comments in a single thread may be a bit too excessive. Sounds like spam to my mind (please note that I&#039;m  being constructive here).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ThomasHansen: You will see people more inclined to read your posts if you paid more attention to what others have posted before.<br />
The facebook support has been already mentioned by Schill. You should also pay attention that 8 comments in a single thread may be a bit too excessive. Sounds like spam to my mind (please note that I&#8217;m  being constructive here).</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271516</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we have an *elephant* in our army of soldiers ;)
http://ra-ajax.org/facebook-joins-the-war-against-ie6.blog
.
*VICTORY*...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we have an *elephant* in our army of soldiers ;)<br />
<a href="http://ra-ajax.org/facebook-joins-the-war-against-ie6.blog" rel="nofollow">http://ra-ajax.org/facebook-joins-the-war-against-ie6.blog</a><br />
.<br />
*VICTORY*&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: mojave</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271511</link>
		<dc:creator>mojave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we have a campaign to End IE8? It&#039;s already as outdated as IE 6 and it hasn&#039;t even been released yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we have a campaign to End IE8? It&#8217;s already as outdated as IE 6 and it hasn&#8217;t even been released yet.</p>
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		<title>By: AndiSmith</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271509</link>
		<dc:creator>AndiSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, *most* (not all) large corporate companies will not move away from Microsoft Internet Explorer to Firefox et al. for the same reasons they won&#039;t move from Microsoft Windows to Linux; or Microsoft .NET to PHP.

Which leaves them with only one choice: upgrade to Internet Explorer 7. The problem is most large corporate companies also happen to still be using Microsoft Windows 2000, which Internet Explorer 7 won&#039;t run on.

The problem isn&#039;t IT afraid of upgrading to IE7, it&#039;s IT afraid of everything that could stop working if they upgrade Windows from 2000 to XP/Vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, *most* (not all) large corporate companies will not move away from Microsoft Internet Explorer to Firefox et al. for the same reasons they won&#8217;t move from Microsoft Windows to Linux; or Microsoft .NET to PHP.</p>
<p>Which leaves them with only one choice: upgrade to Internet Explorer 7. The problem is most large corporate companies also happen to still be using Microsoft Windows 2000, which Internet Explorer 7 won&#8217;t run on.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t IT afraid of upgrading to IE7, it&#8217;s IT afraid of everything that could stop working if they upgrade Windows from 2000 to XP/Vista.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxon</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271507</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What planet am I from?  Ajaxian of course.  J/K.  As for your comments about IT departments being empowered to govern technology, I thought that it was the CTO&#039;s job to make sure that the people who know nothing about technology stay out of it.

To the commenter who talked about little web apps becoming critical:  I assert to you that most internal applications utelizing a browser control can and probably should be rewritten--especially since IE6 is unsecure compared with IE7/8/Firefox.  In the situation where the employee was fired after creating the ap:  you really want him on your internal network the day he finds out looking through confidential accounting and forcasting data stored in the temporary internet files of every employee on your intranet?

Data  can be displayed in much more secure ways than through an internal website and web browser...like a simple desktop application/dashboard.  Microsoft.net is great at that stuff...if you are talking about viewing .doc files through the intranet....there&#039;s the concept of viewing it with word, which doesn&#039;t break if you install a new IE browser.

As far as there being little difference between IE7and IE6, there are tones of css layout differences, behaviors, etc.  And, as someone kindly pointed out, IE6 is OLD AS DIRT, and really quite slow and cumbersome to use.  Time to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What planet am I from?  Ajaxian of course.  J/K.  As for your comments about IT departments being empowered to govern technology, I thought that it was the CTO&#8217;s job to make sure that the people who know nothing about technology stay out of it.</p>
<p>To the commenter who talked about little web apps becoming critical:  I assert to you that most internal applications utelizing a browser control can and probably should be rewritten&#8211;especially since IE6 is unsecure compared with IE7/8/Firefox.  In the situation where the employee was fired after creating the ap:  you really want him on your internal network the day he finds out looking through confidential accounting and forcasting data stored in the temporary internet files of every employee on your intranet?</p>
<p>Data  can be displayed in much more secure ways than through an internal website and web browser&#8230;like a simple desktop application/dashboard.  Microsoft.net is great at that stuff&#8230;if you are talking about viewing .doc files through the intranet&#8230;.there&#8217;s the concept of viewing it with word, which doesn&#8217;t break if you install a new IE browser.</p>
<p>As far as there being little difference between IE7and IE6, there are tones of css layout differences, behaviors, etc.  And, as someone kindly pointed out, IE6 is OLD AS DIRT, and really quite slow and cumbersome to use.  Time to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271502</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you guys *really* need to write more about this, it&#039;s going truly international now; http://ie6.forteller.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
.
And check the list of websites how it&#039;s growing every minute...
http://ie6.forteller.net/index.php?title=List
.
Microsoft even came out with a press release stating their &quot;support&quot; for this campaign, which I have translated here; http://ra-ajax.org/microsoft-supports-the-war-against-ie6.blog
.
*WRITE MORE*...!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you guys *really* need to write more about this, it&#8217;s going truly international now; <a href="http://ie6.forteller.net/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http://ie6.forteller.net/index.php?title=Main_Page</a><br />
.<br />
And check the list of websites how it&#8217;s growing every minute&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://ie6.forteller.net/index.php?title=List" rel="nofollow">http://ie6.forteller.net/index.php?title=List</a><br />
.<br />
Microsoft even came out with a press release stating their &#8220;support&#8221; for this campaign, which I have translated here; <a href="http://ra-ajax.org/microsoft-supports-the-war-against-ie6.blog" rel="nofollow">http://ra-ajax.org/microsoft-supports-the-war-against-ie6.blog</a><br />
.<br />
*WRITE MORE*&#8230;!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271491</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we&#039;re starting to become truly *international*...!!
http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/norwegian-websi.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we&#8217;re starting to become truly *international*&#8230;!!<br />
<a href="http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/norwegian-websi.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/norwegian-websi.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271488</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Resig
Hey, when is the jQueryUpdateFromIe6 widget coming into jQuery UI...? ;)
That would be *awesome*...!
Especially considered it&#039;ll probably eventually even make it into Visual Studio now that MSFT have embraced your stuff... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Resig<br />
Hey, when is the jQueryUpdateFromIe6 widget coming into jQuery UI&#8230;? ;)<br />
That would be *awesome*&#8230;!<br />
Especially considered it&#8217;ll probably eventually even make it into Visual Studio now that MSFT have embraced your stuff&#8230; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271487</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@NicholasHagen
*BRILLIANT*...!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NicholasHagen<br />
*BRILLIANT*&#8230;!! :)</p>
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		<title>By: NicholasHagen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271485</link>
		<dc:creator>NicholasHagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just looked up on Wikipedia and realized that IE6 was started on Aug 27, 2001...that means it is almost 8 years old, which is like 20+ years in the digital internet age.  I understand that too many systems still require IE6, but we really need to end support for IE6 if we are to ever truly enjoy Web 3.0.

That being said, join me in adding warnings similar to these to your sites, warning users that on Aug 27, 2009 (their 8th birthday) their browser will no longer be supported and will require an update to continue.  Providing users with half a year to update should be plenty.

http://www.znetdevelopment.com/blogs/2009/02/19/end-ie6-support-campaign/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just looked up on Wikipedia and realized that IE6 was started on Aug 27, 2001&#8230;that means it is almost 8 years old, which is like 20+ years in the digital internet age.  I understand that too many systems still require IE6, but we really need to end support for IE6 if we are to ever truly enjoy Web 3.0.</p>
<p>That being said, join me in adding warnings similar to these to your sites, warning users that on Aug 27, 2009 (their 8th birthday) their browser will no longer be supported and will require an update to continue.  Providing users with half a year to update should be plenty.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.znetdevelopment.com/blogs/2009/02/19/end-ie6-support-campaign/" rel="nofollow">http://www.znetdevelopment.com/blogs/2009/02/19/end-ie6-support-campaign/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nosredna</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271484</link>
		<dc:creator>Nosredna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;While I can understand some companies not wanting to switch from IE6 to FireFox/etc due to internal applications, is there really that much that breaks going from IE6 to IE7?

It only takes one internal app breaking for the upgrade to be put off.

But I have to think as IE6&#039;s numbers go into the low single digits that developers will be less and less interested in testing against IE6.

I&#039;d keep my eye on jQuery. When will it stop testing against IE6? 2010? 2011?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;While I can understand some companies not wanting to switch from IE6 to FireFox/etc due to internal applications, is there really that much that breaks going from IE6 to IE7?</p>
<p>It only takes one internal app breaking for the upgrade to be put off.</p>
<p>But I have to think as IE6&#8242;s numbers go into the low single digits that developers will be less and less interested in testing against IE6.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d keep my eye on jQuery. When will it stop testing against IE6? 2010? 2011?</p>
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		<title>By: shypht</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271483</link>
		<dc:creator>shypht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I can understand some companies not wanting to switch from IE6 to FireFox/etc due to internal applications, is there really that much that breaks going from IE6 to IE7? 

At my work, most of what I do is targeted towards IE, so I have IE7 running for work-related stuff / internal applications / etc, but any Personal browsing that I do is in FF. Thankfully, for now - we have control to install what we&#039;d like on our desktops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I can understand some companies not wanting to switch from IE6 to FireFox/etc due to internal applications, is there really that much that breaks going from IE6 to IE7? </p>
<p>At my work, most of what I do is targeted towards IE, so I have IE7 running for work-related stuff / internal applications / etc, but any Personal browsing that I do is in FF. Thankfully, for now &#8211; we have control to install what we&#8217;d like on our desktops.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271481</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the *JUST* upgrade from IE6 banner ... ;)
http://ra-ajax.org/the-fair-upgrade-from-ie6-banner.blog
.
Which displays links to the different browsers with font-sizes according to how they perform on Acid3 and JavaScript execution speed ... :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the *JUST* upgrade from IE6 banner &#8230; ;)<br />
<a href="http://ra-ajax.org/the-fair-upgrade-from-ie6-banner.blog" rel="nofollow">http://ra-ajax.org/the-fair-upgrade-from-ie6-banner.blog</a><br />
.<br />
Which displays links to the different browsers with font-sizes according to how they perform on Acid3 and JavaScript execution speed &#8230; :P</p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271480</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to JOIN the war if you&#039;re a site owner...
http://ra-ajax.org/how-to-join-the-war-against-ie6-on-your-own-websites.blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to JOIN the war if you&#8217;re a site owner&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://ra-ajax.org/how-to-join-the-war-against-ie6-on-your-own-websites.blog" rel="nofollow">http://ra-ajax.org/how-to-join-the-war-against-ie6-on-your-own-websites.blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: ThomasHansen</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271479</link>
		<dc:creator>ThomasHansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft now *officially supports* the Norwegian &quot;Don&#039;t use IE6&quot; campaign...
http://ra-ajax.org/microsoft-supports-the-war-against-ie6.blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft now *officially supports* the Norwegian &#8220;Don&#8217;t use IE6&#8243; campaign&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://ra-ajax.org/microsoft-supports-the-war-against-ie6.blog" rel="nofollow">http://ra-ajax.org/microsoft-supports-the-war-against-ie6.blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joeri</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271478</link>
		<dc:creator>Joeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jaxon: You have several issues at work here:

1. &quot;If it ain&#039;t broke, don&#039;t fix it&quot;. Sysadmins usually have bigger fish to fry than being kind to web developers.

2. Internal unmaintained apps. This happens more with word, excel, and so on, but it&#039;s not unheard of for some employee to develop a little web app to solve a need, that app becoming critical, and then for the employee to leave the company.

3. Embedded browser controls. Quite a lot of business apps embed a browser control to show part of their user interface. It&#039;s not possible to upgrade ie without upgrading the embedded browser control. I speak from personal experience here. I had a business app that I developed break across the IE7 upgrade because the IE security model changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jaxon: You have several issues at work here:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;If it ain&#8217;t broke, don&#8217;t fix it&#8221;. Sysadmins usually have bigger fish to fry than being kind to web developers.</p>
<p>2. Internal unmaintained apps. This happens more with word, excel, and so on, but it&#8217;s not unheard of for some employee to develop a little web app to solve a need, that app becoming critical, and then for the employee to leave the company.</p>
<p>3. Embedded browser controls. Quite a lot of business apps embed a browser control to show part of their user interface. It&#8217;s not possible to upgrade ie without upgrading the embedded browser control. I speak from personal experience here. I had a business app that I developed break across the IE7 upgrade because the IE security model changed.</p>
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		<title>By: PuckPuck</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271477</link>
		<dc:creator>PuckPuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many large corporates will standardize on IE6, not allow anyone to install software (including Firefox) but still allow access to most of the internet.

I understand wanting to write next generation apps, and not waste time coding for horrible browsers, but do realize that these business users spend lots of their daily time on the internet, much of it for personal uses, and if you restrict your site, you may be restricting users unable to help themselves.  damned if you do.... damned if you don&#039;t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many large corporates will standardize on IE6, not allow anyone to install software (including Firefox) but still allow access to most of the internet.</p>
<p>I understand wanting to write next generation apps, and not waste time coding for horrible browsers, but do realize that these business users spend lots of their daily time on the internet, much of it for personal uses, and if you restrict your site, you may be restricting users unable to help themselves.  damned if you do&#8230;. damned if you don&#8217;t</p>
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		<title>By: azer</title>
		<link>http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-campaign-to-end-ie6/comment-page-1#comment-271474</link>
		<dc:creator>azer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IE7 is better? IE8?

People have to use free and modern browsers.</description>
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<p>People have to use free and modern browsers.</p>
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