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		<title>By: Ras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 23:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check out this website http://www.ajaximpact.com/ajaximpact.php?n=8&amp;id=31&amp;back=/detail_news.php?id=31
it&#039;s a collabortive whitboard.</description>
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it&#8217;s a collabortive whitboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Lorz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Lorz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 08:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the difference between web 1.0 and 2.0 collaboration:
Personally I don&#039;t believe that the basic difference between 1.0 and 2.0 lies in forcing you to express the explicit wish for editing as the statement might suggest.
In collaborative scenarios the possibility to communicate &lt;strong&gt;intentions&lt;/strong&gt; is a very important feature and crucial for avoiding conflicts by synchrounous access.
E. g. if Alice and Bob repair theire motorcycle it is very different if Alice just holds a screwdriver the way that Bob can grasp it or if Alice actually starts using the tool to detach some parts of the motorcycle.
The same can be said about editing a web-page. It is a big difference if I just look at the page - others will not expect me to add any changes... Or if I am going to edit the page - others will have to be aware of changes going on.
Therefore this is more a problem of a clever user interaction design allowing me to express my wish to change something in a more subtle way than by clicking a button that loads the page into an editor. Of course Web 2.0 technologies will make implementation a lot easier but it will not solve basic problems of collaborative interaction just by itself. Therefore my beliefe is that real &quot;killer applications&quot; do not arise by using web 2.0 technologies only - altough they are a very sound foundation. The igniting spark has to come from novel user interaction techniques that are driven by web 2.0 technologies and inspired by the new possibilities that Ajax has to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the difference between web 1.0 and 2.0 collaboration:<br />
Personally I don&#8217;t believe that the basic difference between 1.0 and 2.0 lies in forcing you to express the explicit wish for editing as the statement might suggest.<br />
In collaborative scenarios the possibility to communicate <strong>intentions</strong> is a very important feature and crucial for avoiding conflicts by synchrounous access.<br />
E. g. if Alice and Bob repair theire motorcycle it is very different if Alice just holds a screwdriver the way that Bob can grasp it or if Alice actually starts using the tool to detach some parts of the motorcycle.<br />
The same can be said about editing a web-page. It is a big difference if I just look at the page &#8211; others will not expect me to add any changes&#8230; Or if I am going to edit the page &#8211; others will have to be aware of changes going on.<br />
Therefore this is more a problem of a clever user interaction design allowing me to express my wish to change something in a more subtle way than by clicking a button that loads the page into an editor. Of course Web 2.0 technologies will make implementation a lot easier but it will not solve basic problems of collaborative interaction just by itself. Therefore my beliefe is that real &#8220;killer applications&#8221; do not arise by using web 2.0 technologies only &#8211; altough they are a very sound foundation. The igniting spark has to come from novel user interaction techniques that are driven by web 2.0 technologies and inspired by the new possibilities that Ajax has to offer.</p>
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