Comments on: The State Of Web Development – Ajax set to surpass Flash in ’07 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07 Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 17 May 2012 07:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Bjorn Jensen http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-185674 Bjorn Jensen Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:55:12 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-185674 We at Team Orca are sure and confident that the next revolution on the web will be the virtual desktop, it will blow the mind of the corporate big fish in a way that will shake the whole foundation of computers. You will never at the time of redemption have to stay in line or to follow the trend by doing what everyone else do, you will have total freedom your own space where ever you are in the world, you can call yourself FREE for the first time in computing history. No more Having to rely on a "sub" product from some rich world wide company who's interest is money and global take over! No more having to complain about some missing files, spyware, worms or viruses that has infected your all too expensive hardware which after some time will be useless anyway because of the evolution in the com. world. "BECOME THE NET" www.orcadesktop.com Your Universe! Bjorn Jensen Team Orca We at Team Orca are sure and confident that the next revolution on the web will be the virtual desktop, it will blow the mind of the corporate big fish in a way that will shake the whole foundation of computers. You will never at the time of redemption have to stay in line or to follow the trend by doing what everyone else do, you will have total freedom your own space where ever you are in the world, you can call yourself FREE for the first time in computing history. No more Having to rely on a “sub” product from some rich world wide company who’s interest is money and global take over! No more having to complain about some missing files, spyware, worms or viruses that has infected your all too expensive hardware which after some time will be useless anyway because of the evolution in the com. world.
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]]> By: Anonymous http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-121590 Anonymous Mon, 09 Oct 2006 13:21:36 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-121590 <strong>The State Of Web Development - Ajax set to surpass Flash in ‘07</strong> Richard MacManus has posted on The State Of Web Development - Ajax set to surpass Flash in ‘07. This is in reference to a report on the subject. The State Of Web Development – Ajax set to surpass Flash in ‘07

Richard MacManus has posted on The State Of Web Development – Ajax set to surpass Flash in ‘07. This is in reference to a report on the subject.

]]> By: Tim http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-121387 Tim Mon, 09 Oct 2006 12:31:53 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-121387 Square pegs, round holes. I'm happy to compare apples and oranges all day long. But an apple is NOT an orange. This is survey is the biggest troll ever! Square pegs, round holes. I’m happy to compare apples and oranges all day long. But an apple is NOT an orange. This is survey is the biggest troll ever!

]]> By: kanenas.net http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-119516 kanenas.net Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:23:02 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-119516 If I have to choose between Ajax and Flash, I would definetely choose Ajax ! If I have to choose between Ajax and Flash, I would definetely choose Ajax !

]]> By: richard Bayer http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-118777 richard Bayer Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:03:17 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-118777 A good analysis some of the trends i found: http://www.coachwei.com/blog/_archives/2006/10/7/2395524.html A good analysis some of the trends i found:
http://www.coachwei.com/blog/_archives/2006/10/7/2395524.html

]]> By: Sham Bhangal http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-117159 Sham Bhangal Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:47:16 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-117159 Sorry. small but crucial typo in post above! The predicted number of users using Ajax for 2007 is (drumroll...) 62.04% of all designers, vs 56.3% of all designers for Flash. Sorry. small but crucial typo in post above!
The predicted number of users using Ajax for 2007 is (drumroll…) 62.04% of all designers, vs 56.3% of all designers for Flash.

]]> By: Sham Bhangal http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-117155 Sham Bhangal Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:41:42 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-117155 I agree that the graph above is misleading because it shows % change rather than absolute numbers. The Sitepoint report doesnt give absolute change values either, but it gives enough information to work it out; the report shows current tech usage as well as the graph above, so we know the %usage of each tech now, and the %designers who expect to learn new techs for 2007. If we assume that users who know a tech now did not say they expected to learn the same tech for 2007 (a very reasonable assumption :D) then the absolute percentage change of users that will learn each new tech for 2007 is (100% - percentage of users who already use it)* percentage of users who will learn it for 2007)/100. the absolute number of users who will be using each technology for 2007 is then absolute percentage change+number of users already using. Ive worked these figures out, and the number of predicted users who will be using Ajax for 2007 is 56.3% of all designers. The percentage of all designers who will be using Flash is 56.3%. Still more using Ajax, but the difference in numbers is much less than implied by the article, because they are showing the wrong graph (delta instead of absolute numbers)! I'll put a version of the graph showing predicted absolute numbers on my blog later today, asuming the missus doesnt make me go out drinking later ;) I agree that the graph above is misleading because it shows % change rather than absolute numbers.
The Sitepoint report doesnt give absolute change values either, but it gives enough information to work it out; the report shows current tech usage as well as the graph above, so we know the %usage of each tech now, and the %designers who expect to learn new techs for 2007. If we assume that users who know a tech now did not say they expected to learn the same tech for 2007 (a very reasonable assumption :D) then the absolute percentage change of users that will learn each new tech for 2007 is (100% – percentage of users who already use it)* percentage of users who will learn it for 2007)/100. the absolute number of users who will be using each technology for 2007 is then absolute percentage change+number of users already using. Ive worked these figures out, and the number of predicted users who will be using Ajax for 2007 is 56.3% of all designers. The percentage of all designers who will be using Flash is 56.3%. Still more using Ajax, but the difference in numbers is much less than implied by the article, because they are showing the wrong graph (delta instead of absolute numbers)! I’ll put a version of the graph showing predicted absolute numbers on my blog later today, asuming the missus doesnt make me go out drinking later ;)

]]> By: thebadtiming.com » AJAX が Flash を超える日 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116892 thebadtiming.com » AJAX が Flash を超える日 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:38:23 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116892 [...] Ajaxian で取り上げられていたウェブ開発に関するリサーチ、The State of Web Development 2006/2007。Ektron と SitePoint の共同リサーチ。執筆者の方々はこの面々。 [...] [...] Ajaxian で取り上げられていたウェブ開発に関するリサーチ、The State of Web Development 2006/2007。Ektron と SitePoint の共同リサーチ。執筆者の方々はこの面々。 [...]

]]> By: Mike Healy http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116864 Mike Healy Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:20:04 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116864 This is an extract from a survey <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com" rel="nofollow">sitepoint.com</a> conducted in June. There were over 5000 respondants, and the results were made available to partipants (and may be available to the public now -- I'm not sure). Those bullet point items are a sample of answers to the question "where do you think the web is heading..." The graphed responses here also allowed participants to select multiple answers. I.e they didn't have to choose between Ajax and Flash, they were able to check all that applied. This is an extract from a survey sitepoint.com conducted in June.
There were over 5000 respondants, and the results were made available to partipants (and may be available to the public now — I’m not sure).

Those bullet point items are a sample of answers to the question “where do you think the web is heading…”
The graphed responses here also allowed participants to select multiple answers. I.e they didn’t have to choose between Ajax and Flash, they were able to check all that applied.

]]> By: Matt Lowell http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116837 Matt Lowell Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:17:10 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116837 This should be labeled "Things you want to explore in 2007" it is a collection of ideas, tech and buzzwords and does little to clarify things. It also includes both old and new but seems to omit other older techs and trends that will likely continue and grow. It really adds more confusion than it solves. For example, we see blogs but isn't a blog just a CMS with a specific format goal from a tech perspective? Or do we mean using blogs in the corporate space to promote or share knowledge? Or do we mean blogs in the sense of promoting self publishing with the same to be said with Wikis. In the case of JS libraries one wonders that if Ajax is just an application of JS, would it also indicate library usage? You could go on and on.... This should be labeled “Things you want to explore in 2007″ it is a collection of ideas, tech and buzzwords and does little to clarify things. It also includes both old and new but seems to omit other older techs and trends that will likely continue and grow.

It really adds more confusion than it solves. For example, we see blogs but isn’t a blog just a CMS with a specific format goal from a tech perspective? Or do we mean using blogs in the corporate space to promote or share knowledge? Or do we mean blogs in the sense of promoting self publishing with the same to be said with Wikis. In the case of JS libraries one wonders that if Ajax is just an application of JS, would it also indicate library usage? You could go on and on….

]]> By: Mario http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116778 Mario Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:59:18 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116778 Doesnt seem like the list was well thought out. Some of the bulleted items could have been removed or condensed to one bulleted item..... kinda lame. Doesnt seem like the list was well thought out. Some of the bulleted items could have been removed or condensed to one bulleted item….. kinda lame.

]]> By: J Hendler http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116765 J Hendler Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:32:27 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116765 Interesting stats even given the apples v oranges nature, but it would be nice to have some background - how many repondents, where, when -- I'd like to use this to promote AJAX, and the teaching thereof, at University, but if I show this graph with no background I'll be laughed out of the meeting... Interesting stats even given the apples v oranges nature, but it would be nice to have some background – how many repondents, where, when — I’d like to use this to promote AJAX, and the teaching thereof, at University, but if I show this graph with no background I’ll be laughed out of the meeting…

]]> By: Michael Klishin http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116763 Michael Klishin Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:28:23 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116763 Oh damn, one more "apple vs oranges". Flex, Flash and Ajax happily live and evolve together. Choose what works for you and fits your needs. Oh damn, one more “apple vs oranges”. Flex, Flash and Ajax happily live and evolve together. Choose what works for you and fits your needs.

]]> By: Gabe H http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116696 Gabe H Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:09:09 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116696 I think youtube and google/yahoo finance, etc. have shown that rich clients (and flash in particular) are not going away. I think to most people its not flash or ajax, but flash and ajax. I think youtube and google/yahoo finance, etc. have shown that rich clients (and flash in particular) are not going away. I think to most people its not flash or ajax, but flash and ajax.

]]> By: Sajid http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116683 Sajid Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:50:21 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116683 Sorry but I am trying to understand the logic of this chart. Are blogs, wikis, syndicates and microformats considered 'technologies' or 'applications'? Any of these can be used with Flash or Ajax. So how can this be compared? Maybe I am wrong :), but I am still trying to understand it. Sorry but I am trying to understand the logic of this chart.

Are blogs, wikis, syndicates and microformats considered ‘technologies’ or ‘applications’?

Any of these can be used with Flash or Ajax. So how can this be compared?

Maybe I am wrong :), but I am still trying to understand it.

]]> By: Douglas http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07/comment-page-1#comment-116616 Douglas Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:27:02 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/the-state-of-web-development-ajax-set-to-surpass-flash-in-07#comment-116616 Flash still has some optimized features that run rather slowly with AJAX. I like the Flex/AJAX hybrid solution as well. In fact I am exploring that option for a project I am currently working on. Flash still has some optimized features that run rather slowly with AJAX. I like the Flex/AJAX hybrid solution as well. In fact I am exploring that option for a project I am currently working on.

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