Comments on: WebKit 3 shows up with the new Safari http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 17 May 2012 07:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Nathan Youngman http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-259178 Nathan Youngman Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:08:54 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-259178 I guess I was mislead by the "Web Developer Tools: Web Inspector, Drosera" line. I am aware that the nightly builds include Drosera, just thought that 10.5.1 was including it too (esp. since Web Inspector is now there). Oh well. I guess I was mislead by the “Web Developer Tools: Web Inspector, Drosera” line. I am aware that the nightly builds include Drosera, just thought that 10.5.1 was including it too (esp. since Web Inspector is now there). Oh well.

]]> By: DJCarbon43 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258946 DJCarbon43 Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:23:30 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258946 Oh my god people. You CANNOT use drosera if it is not on your computer....the versions of Safari you get from apple.com for MAC and Windows, will not have drosera in them, I guarantee you. Go to webkit.org, and download a nightly build. Both Web Inspector and Drosera (which is a separate app, inspector is built into webkit) will be in the mac version. Obviously drosera will not be in the PC version until someone ports it out of cocoa and into the windows APIs Oh my god people. You CANNOT use drosera if it is not on your computer….the versions of Safari you get from apple.com for MAC and Windows, will not have drosera in them, I guarantee you. Go to webkit.org, and download a nightly build. Both Web Inspector and Drosera (which is a separate app, inspector is built into webkit) will be in the mac version. Obviously drosera will not be in the PC version until someone ports it out of cocoa and into the windows APIs

]]> By: Marcin http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258923 Marcin Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:29:24 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258923 Soon enough we should have all browsers running libs like ExtJs smoothly, that's good news:) Soon enough we should have all browsers running libs like ExtJs smoothly, that’s good news:)

]]> By: Trevor http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258919 Trevor Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:14:02 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258919 <blockquote> thumbs down for developer friendliness eh?</blockquote> Because developers generally don't know how to use a command line?

thumbs down for developer friendliness eh?

Because developers generally don’t know how to use a command line?

]]> By: Trevor http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258918 Trevor Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:11:19 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258918 <blockquote>Looking at the bug reports in their system, this is the procedure they solve their RTE bugs. 1) Close a bunch of bugs and set “RESOLVED”. 2) Release new version. 3) Open bugs again. Nice…</blockquote> I'm currently building a RTE against Prototype for a CMS, and Safari 3 is buggy but significantly better than Safari 2 was. Just... significantly better. In fact, Firefox has been more buggy overall in my experiences.

Looking at the bug reports in their system, this is the procedure they solve their RTE bugs.
1) Close a bunch of bugs and set “RESOLVED”.
2) Release new version.
3) Open bugs again.
Nice…

I’m currently building a RTE against Prototype for a CMS, and Safari 3 is buggy but significantly better than Safari 2 was. Just… significantly better.

In fact, Firefox has been more buggy overall in my experiences.

]]> By: Nathan Youngman http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258912 Nathan Youngman Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:34:21 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258912 I still don't see Drosera, on Leopard 10.5.1 here, with the debug menu on and Web Inspector in there. I still don’t see Drosera, on Leopard 10.5.1 here, with the debug menu on and Web Inspector in there.

]]> By: Matt http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258908 Matt Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:09:07 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258908 @Jon: I just loaded up http://script.aculo.us/ in Firefox 2/3, Opera 9/9.5, and Safari 3. Safari was definitely the smoothest, second being Opera 9.5. In the Ext JS desktop, Opera 9.5 was the smoothest but Safari was second. @Jon: I just loaded up http://script.aculo.us/ in Firefox 2/3, Opera 9/9.5, and Safari 3. Safari was definitely the smoothest, second being Opera 9.5. In the Ext JS desktop, Opera 9.5 was the smoothest but Safari was second.

]]> By: Jon Hartmann http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258905 Jon Hartmann Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:42:22 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258905 Ext JS web desktop app chugs more then the Opera as well, this is for Safari Windows. Ext JS web desktop app chugs more then the Opera as well, this is for Safari Windows.

]]> By: Jon Hartmann http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258904 Jon Hartmann Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:40:57 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258904 I have to disagree with some of the comments about smoothness... perhaps its glitches in Scriptaculous, but http://script.aculo.us/ is horrible on the new version. I have to disagree with some of the comments about smoothness… perhaps its glitches in Scriptaculous, but http://script.aculo.us/ is horrible on the new version.

]]> By: Matt http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258903 Matt Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:29:29 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258903 Wow, incredibly fast. I have a site that is pretty heavy on the javascript effects, and it pretty much brings Firefox 2 to its knees. Firefox 3 is a lot faster, as is Opera, but they still struggle a bit. This though, doesn't break a sweat, everything is so smooth. Wow, incredibly fast. I have a site that is pretty heavy on the javascript effects, and it pretty much brings Firefox 2 to its knees. Firefox 3 is a lot faster, as is Opera, but they still struggle a bit. This though, doesn’t break a sweat, everything is so smooth.

]]> By: vance Dubberly http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258897 vance Dubberly Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:13:00 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258897 @viktor well no you should uninstall windows and install OS X of course. Just kidding. Wait a little bit, my bet is this problem will be solved soon. Though ultimately I'm kinda annoyed I have to enable debugging through the CLI at all. It should be a preference pane. @viktor well no you should uninstall windows and install OS X of course. Just kidding. Wait a little bit, my bet is this problem will be solved soon. Though ultimately I’m kinda annoyed I have to enable debugging through the CLI at all. It should be a preference pane.

]]> By: vance Dubberly http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258895 vance Dubberly Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:07:57 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258895 Sat around yesterday testing a number of webapps I developed that are very heavy javascript/xml apps. And Safari blew away every other browser I ran it again, on both Mac and Windows. I mean rendering lists of 100's of items saw differences of several seconds. Simple animation such as fade in and out were a lot smoother on Safari. I've often been irked by Safaris Javascript engine... but with the xml, rte, and speed improvements that's all gone. Also with webkit at the heart of Adobe Air, and Android Safari appears to be destined for not only relevance but greatness. Now all they need is a firebug implementation, Drosera and the Web Inspector are interesting but not quite up to the Firebug, WebDeveloper, and Venkman combo. Sat around yesterday testing a number of webapps I developed that are very heavy javascript/xml apps. And Safari blew away every other browser I ran it again, on both Mac and Windows. I mean rendering lists of 100′s of items saw differences of several seconds. Simple animation such as fade in and out were a lot smoother on Safari. I’ve often been irked by Safaris Javascript engine… but with the xml, rte, and speed improvements that’s all gone. Also with webkit at the heart of Adobe Air, and Android Safari appears to be destined for not only relevance but greatness. Now all they need is a firebug implementation, Drosera and the Web Inspector are interesting but not quite up to the Firebug, WebDeveloper, and Venkman combo.

]]> By: Eytan http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258894 Eytan Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:04:39 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258894 damn damn damn Easier for me to just post the link where I got the info: http://hohle.net/scrap_post.php?post=221&title=Safari+for+Windows+Debug+Menu damn damn damn
Easier for me to just post the link where I got the info:

http://hohle.net/scrap_post.php?post=221&title=Safari+for+Windows+Debug+Menu

]]> By: Eytan http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258893 Eytan Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:03:34 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258893 ooops, let's try hat again. The HTML was parsed :-o \IncludeDebugMenu\ \ ooops, let’s try hat again. The HTML was parsed :-o
\IncludeDebugMenu\
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]]> By: Eytan http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258892 Eytan Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:02:06 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258892 in Safari for Windows, add the following key-value pair to the safari preference file, probably located here: C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Apple Computer\Safari\Preferences.plist IncludeDebugMenu Insert the above code before the closing element and restart Safari. in Safari for Windows, add the following key-value pair to the safari preference file, probably located here:

C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Apple Computer\Safari\Preferences.plist

IncludeDebugMenu

Insert the above code before the closing element and restart Safari.

]]> By: Viktor Kojouharov http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258890 Viktor Kojouharov Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:39:16 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258890 @Pim: great, now lets go back to my question, and how to do that on Windows. Maybe I should run a OSX virtual machine under my already running Windows virtual machine in order to take Safari and WebKit seriously @Pim: great, now lets go back to my question, and how to do that on Windows. Maybe I should run a OSX virtual machine under my already running Windows virtual machine in order to take Safari and WebKit seriously

]]> By: Shane http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258886 Shane Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:11:54 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258886 > “% defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1″ + a restart .... thumbs down for developer friendliness eh? > “% defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1″ + a restart
….
thumbs down for developer friendliness eh?

]]> By: Pim http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258881 Pim Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:33:11 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258881 To view the web inspector, close Safari, go to your terminal and type the following: "% defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1" - without quotes. Now restart safari, and click the Debug menu item. Then click "Web Inspector", and there is is :-) To view the web inspector, close Safari, go to your terminal and type the following: “% defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1″ – without quotes.

Now restart safari, and click the Debug menu item. Then click “Web Inspector”, and there is is :-)

]]> By: Spocke http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258877 Spocke Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:23:07 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258877 We finally got tired of waiting for the RTE bug fixes to be solved so we started to write a Safari plugin that patches over all glitches for TinyMCE. But I must say the 3.0 version of Safari looks really promising it has way better JS API implementation. Safari might be ahead on CSS but they are at my opinion still behind on JS API adoption I hope they focus on that now instead of adding all that cool Safari only CSS things that no one can use anyway. We finally got tired of waiting for the RTE bug fixes to be solved so we started to write a Safari plugin that patches over all glitches for TinyMCE. But I must say the 3.0 version of Safari looks really promising it has way better JS API implementation. Safari might be ahead on CSS but they are at my opinion still behind on JS API adoption I hope they focus on that now instead of adding all that cool Safari only CSS things that no one can use anyway.

]]> By: Viktor Kojouharov http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari/comment-page-1#comment-258874 Viktor Kojouharov Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:56:43 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/archives/webkit-3-shows-up-with-the-new-safari#comment-258874 btw, how does one enable Web Inspector on windows? I've downloaded the latest 3.0.4 Safari, but I couldn't find it. btw, how does one enable Web Inspector on windows?
I’ve downloaded the latest 3.0.4 Safari, but I couldn’t find it.

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