Comments on: WebKit Does HTML5 Client-side Database Storage

By: jpick

jpick — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:21:30 +0000

I’ve done a little bit of work to hook this into TiddlyWiki. Check it out here:

http://jimpick.com/test/clientside-storage.html

It works with the nightly WebKit builds, as well as the iPhone (and emulator).

By: Marc Nobel

Marc Nobel — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:51:43 +0000

Oh yes, and Google should be a part of the panel too. Google is one of the few companies that have fresh ideas, and few people telling them that they can’t do that. Most of the javascript apis from Google are well written and easy to implement. That’s what we need.

By: Marc Nobel

Marc Nobel — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:48:37 +0000

Now, all we need is Mozilla and Microsoft to jump on board and create a panel to develop a standard, It would be a programmer’s dream. But that’s highly doubtful. Oh, just a programmers dream.

By: Hudson Tavares

Hudson Tavares — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:23:08 +0000

@Jon Hartmann: Make a standard bigger can result in unexpected behaviors of browser's companies. Key-standards, like XHTML and CSS, are huge enough by themselves; looking at nowadays, even CSS 2.0 (a 9-years-old standard) were not completely adopted by the mainstream browsers. Although a standard need to enclose many aspects than possible, this can weaken it's objectiveness. A SQL engine doesn't figure an essencial part to client-side; at this point, putting it into the HTML specification may be a precedent to another "secondary needs". @jtrav: Maybe we'll need to expect until the next beta (or some update). Probably, Adobe will not be so crazy, and update the WebKit version while it's not enough reliable ("This initial implementation has some things missing from the spec as well as a few known bugs").

By: Axel

Axel — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:29:49 +0000

We should be worrying about greater cross platform *cough* Liunx *cough* support for Air before new features are added to it.

By: Jon Hartmann

Jon Hartmann — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:37:33 +0000

@Hudson Tavares: The HTML specification is more like “The Browser API” specification now days. The more things get pulled under the specified standard, the harder it will be for companies to get away with partially implementing the system.

By: jtrav

jtrav — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:50:12 +0000

Does anyone know if the WebKit bundled w/ Adobe AIR is compatible for this? Can I use this client-side DB with AIR?

By: Hudson Tavares

Hudson Tavares — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:47:30 +0000

Ok, it’s a further option to solve some very specific problems, like offline sites development. So, why put it into a recommendation of HTML, a technology which is designed to solve GENERAL problems?

Even DOM, our greatest “scripting weapon”, was into a separated recommendation. And i think that a SQL engine isn’t greater than DOM.

The next-generation standards (CSS3, JS2.0, HTML5 / WA 1.0) will be so SLOWLY and INCOMPLETE adopted than their previous versions, if the things continues to go into this way.

By: NikolaTesla

NikolaTesla — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:44:00 +0000

When released this will be 2 major browsers, the planned Firefox 3 release and Apple’s Safari, that implement offline storage. Neato :)

By: Justin Meyer

Justin Meyer — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:15:30 +0000

Oops. I was talking about TrimQuery.

By: Uriel Katz

Uriel Katz — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:14:59 +0000

plz have some sync queries too!

By: Justin Meyer

Justin Meyer — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:14:43 +0000

Anyone seen ()? It's a 2 year old (mature), JS database engine. It also works with gears.

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:12:15 +0000

I had NO idea this was in the HTML 5 spec.

Will we have this feature in Adobe Air as well? It uses WebKit.

By: Jon Hartmann

Jon Hartmann — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:52:09 +0000

Yeah, you’re not going to be storing unencrypted passwords and credit-card numbers in here, but you shouldn’t be any where. This is an awesome step forward… it will be nice in 10 years when IE has this too.

By: mhw

mhw — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:33:35 +0000

@Maxivida,

According to the writeup (and the HTML5 spec), the databases are under the familiar same-origin policy (like, say, cookies). You probably wouldn’t want to push anything truly sensitive, but I don’t see it as a terrible security risk.

By: Maxivida

Maxivida — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:25:26 +0000

Pardon my ignorance but isn’t this a HUGE security risk?