Comments on: X-UA-Compatible: IE=EmulateIE7

By: AriesBelgium

AriesBelgium — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:34:42 +0000

@kim3er: why should other browsers addopt this “feature”? For webdevelopers who are to lazy to fix their website on other browsers? This is just another feature that looks great at first but I believe a lot of website designers and developers are going to curse on this feature once it’s there. What’s purpose of having a standard compliant browser (or at least sort of standard compliant) if you can just disable it. If IE8 is standard compliant, like the IE team sais it is, then a website should look the same in Firefox and IE8, period.

By: eyelidlessness

eyelidlessness — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:27:40 +0000

Huh?

By: BjornGoransson

BjornGoransson — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:44:08 +0000

eyelidlessness:

I agree, but I seem to miss any asterisks denoting emphasis in *your* post. This is Ajaxian, FCOL!

By: kim3er

kim3er — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:59:48 +0000

I can’t wait for IE8 and I think this META tag is a great idea. I hope the other browsers adopt this or something simular. Sadly, I don’t believe this will speed up the adoption of new browsers.

By: eyelidlessness

eyelidlessness — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:37:35 +0000

@cdude:
“IE developers at Microsoft and a compliant browser. Ignore them while they eat their bananas.”
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Look, I hate IE as much as the next guy. But Microsoft developers are absolutely not the problem, and haven’t been for years. Insulting their developers does nothing to improve the situation and must be absolutely demoralizing for them as they’re forced to jump through a billion useless marketing hoops and ridiculous requirements that have exactly nothing to do with making a good browser.
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Look at it this way: of course Microsoft’s developers care about web developers, it should go without saying; it’s their marketing department and management team who aren’t on board. And for that matter, management ~~has~~ had very good reason to resist improving their browser: it wasn’t until very recently that there was any real competition. The fact that IE8 kindasorta passes Acid 2 is evidence that even the most monolithic, bureaucratic corporations eventually wake up when challenged. They finally realized that users do care about what developers care about, even if they don’t realize it. After all, when more and more content requires a more advanced browser, MS loses its control of the market.

By: cdude

cdude — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:02:48 +0000

IE will always be a special child in the browser class. Whatever they decide to come out with, just nod your head and say OK, Whatever. Even if they come out with a truly standards compliant version, you still have their predecessors to worry about. IE is like herpes, it never goes away.

You know that saying with monkeys, typewriters and Shakespeare, it’s like the IE developers at Microsoft and a compliant browser. Ignore them while they eat their bananas.

By: temsa

temsa — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:41:00 +0000

I’m not really happy with IE8 right now, it’s just far away from other browsers with javascript quality, and when others goes with canvas 3D, video tag or CSS3 ou css animations, IE8 still just implement almost correctly CSS2 …

IE8 should have been released like this about 2 years ago, and even at this time, it’s broken JavaScript API would have been definitively a bad point for it.

So it will just be probably another case to support with it’s own bug and almost no new good feature for web developers (except the developer bar, which is far from perfect and is lacking for a good logger API at the moment), so just another boring new IE release

By: nblade

nblade — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:45:42 +0000

Morgan, I don’t now if this will speed the support of IE7 or IE8. The IT department at my place of employment (a rather large corporation) still have no plans to update from IE6. For them it is not what MS supports but rather what they feel they can support. It may speed its deployment in some locations, but at a large corporation such updates will take at least one to two years from the time they decide to allow the update.

By: AriesBelgium

AriesBelgium — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:42:51 +0000

I still believe this feature harms the whole idea behind standardization of the web. Instead of forcing webdevelopers to fix their website to be more standard compliant they just provide a workaround for lazy people who don’t want to do it. This means that websites created for IE7 may not render properly in Firefox or other standard compliant browsers. I couldn’t make up from the text if this feature will replace the EmulateIE7 button in IE8b1 or if this feature is just an extension to it. But that button is by far the most dangerous thing I’ve seen in a browser. If people just enable that feature by default, webdevelopers will still have to workaround problems for IE7. Although the rendering in IE7 is way better than in IE6 but the problems with Javascript still remain. I really hope IE8 is finally the first browser in the IE series that will get a fast adaptation. Let’s cross our fingers.

By: MorganRoderick

MorganRoderick — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:24:42 +0000

Good call from Microsoft!!!

I am really looking foward to a new IE, and even more to official support for IE6 ending. Hopefully these changes will help the adoption of IE7 and IE8, and will help move the web several years forward.