Comments on: YQL – converting the web to JSON with mock SQL http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql Cleaning up the web with Ajax Thu, 17 May 2012 07:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: JonathanT http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269871 JonathanT Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:49:04 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269871 @kriszyp: The language is only SQL like from the syntax. YQL operates on any structured object we can pull from the web (in same way Pipes does). We use a json dot-style syntax for addressing and projecting parts of the items coming back (its not rows, but structured entities). There are many differences to JSONQuery, most notably the ability to join between disparate services, and perform a lot of transformation away from the interpreter. The docs have more on this http://developer.yahoo.com/yql/guide @kriszyp: The language is only SQL like from the syntax. YQL operates on any structured object we can pull from the web (in same way Pipes does). We use a json dot-style syntax for addressing and projecting parts of the items coming back (its not rows, but structured entities). There are many differences to JSONQuery, most notably the ability to join between disparate services, and perform a lot of transformation away from the interpreter.

The docs have more on this http://developer.yahoo.com/yql/guide

]]> By: kriszyp http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269869 kriszyp Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:04:22 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269869 @Chris Heilmann: Is there a reason not to use JSONQuery/JSONPath (http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2008/07/16/jsonquery-data-querying-beyond-jsonpath/), since it actually the query language designed for JSON? It seems like it would have been the obvious choice. SQL is fraught with conceptually impedances when dealing with data structures like JSON that are vastly different than relational tables. The SQL paradigm is sufficient for very simple structures, but becomes incredibly difficult for more complex JSON structures, which is why we have abandoned it in favor of JSONQuery. SQL is simply not designed for JSON, and JSONQuery is. Plus SQL is an extremely dangerous on the web from a security perspective, anyone that wants to implement this query language (outside of Yahoo) faces terrible complexity in trying to maintain security. @Chris Heilmann: Is there a reason not to use JSONQuery/JSONPath (http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2008/07/16/jsonquery-data-querying-beyond-jsonpath/), since it actually the query language designed for JSON? It seems like it would have been the obvious choice. SQL is fraught with conceptually impedances when dealing with data structures like JSON that are vastly different than relational tables. The SQL paradigm is sufficient for very simple structures, but becomes incredibly difficult for more complex JSON structures, which is why we have abandoned it in favor of JSONQuery. SQL is simply not designed for JSON, and JSONQuery is. Plus SQL is an extremely dangerous on the web from a security perspective, anyone that wants to implement this query language (outside of Yahoo) faces terrible complexity in trying to maintain security.

]]> By: EdSpencer http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269865 EdSpencer Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:21:07 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269865 @Chris Heilmann I was kidding, I love those things too ;) More seriously though, this looks awesome @Chris Heilmann I was kidding, I love those things too ;) More seriously though, this looks awesome

]]> By: DamirSecki http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269859 DamirSecki Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:21:35 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269859 This looks awesome and could be soon the next huge thing! This looks awesome and could be soon the next huge thing!

]]> By: Chris Heilmann http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269858 Chris Heilmann Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:36:27 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269858 @EdSpencer beats waiting through commercial breaks for the next shortened episode of some TV show. We all waste our lives the way we choose to. :) @EdSpencer beats waiting through commercial breaks for the next shortened episode of some TV show. We all waste our lives the way we choose to. :)

]]> By: Chris Heilmann http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269857 Chris Heilmann Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:35:09 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269857 @paulhan yes, there is also the idea of offering data providers to give us a schema/table info to be easily indexable without scraping. And yes, it will mean a conversion trip through Yahoo. @cnizz exactly that - but this is only the tip of the iceberg of what you can do with it. on my blog I showed for example <a href="http://www.wait-till-i.com/2008/12/12/yql-is-so-the-bomb-to-get-web-data-as-xml-or-json/" rel="nofollow">how to do an image search and show the pictures with a few lines of JavaScript</a>. @paulhan yes, there is also the idea of offering data providers to give us a schema/table info to be easily indexable without scraping. And yes, it will mean a conversion trip through Yahoo.
@cnizz exactly that – but this is only the tip of the iceberg of what you can do with it. on my blog I showed for example how to do an image search and show the pictures with a few lines of JavaScript.

]]> By: cnizz http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269853 cnizz Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:27:59 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269853 So wait is this able to convert XML into JSON? Thats the big thing I rather be working with JSON than XML. So wait is this able to convert XML into JSON? Thats the big thing I rather be working with JSON than XML.

]]> By: EdSpencer http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269852 EdSpencer Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:24:01 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269852 "I like getting data from the web and I love JSON" You need to get out more ;) “I like getting data from the web and I love JSON”

You need to get out more ;)

]]> By: paulhan http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269847 paulhan Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:00:15 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269847 Wow, this could be huge, especially if content providers adopt it and design their site such that it can be queried that way. I didn't notice anywhere where it could be downloaded, does this mean a round trip through Yahoo to get the data. This is going to make it very easy to query their extensive finance site. Whoopee, No more scraping. Wow, this could be huge, especially if content providers adopt it and design their site such that it can be queried that way. I didn’t notice anywhere where it could be downloaded, does this mean a round trip through Yahoo to get the data. This is going to make it very easy to query their extensive finance site. Whoopee, No more scraping.

]]> By: NzO http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269845 NzO Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:24:42 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269845 This is very similar to http://isixml.sourceforge.net/ This is very similar to http://isixml.sourceforge.net/

]]> By: davidcalhoun http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269842 davidcalhoun Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:51:30 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269842 Awesome! I think YQL is one of the better things to come out of Yahoo lately. Using the familiar SQL syntax instantly makes it more widely available to so many more programmers. This is why I also like JQuery (no offence to YUI!), which uses CSS-esque selectors. It makes it seem so familiar while learning it. Awesome! I think YQL is one of the better things to come out of Yahoo lately. Using the familiar SQL syntax instantly makes it more widely available to so many more programmers. This is why I also like JQuery (no offence to YUI!), which uses CSS-esque selectors. It makes it seem so familiar while learning it.

]]> By: vvladescu http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269837 vvladescu Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:16:08 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269837 Now this is true evangelism. Way to go , @codepo8 ! Now this is true evangelism. Way to go , @codepo8 !

]]> By: Nosredna http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269830 Nosredna Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:24:28 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269830 "Alas, there is a solution now available and it is called YQL. " . Alas? . Why "alas?" What's wrong with YQL that it merits an "alas?" “Alas, there is a solution now available and it is called YQL. ”
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Alas?
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Why “alas?” What’s wrong with YQL that it merits an “alas?”

]]> By: kentbrew http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269829 kentbrew Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:10:33 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269829 YQL is very easy to use; here's a prototype that supplies the missing del.icio.us full-text search API: http://kentbrewster.com/delicious-search-exploder/ YQL is very easy to use; here’s a prototype that supplies the missing del.icio.us full-text search API:

http://kentbrewster.com/delicious-search-exploder/

]]> By: ilazarte http://ajaxian.com/archives/yql-converting-the-web-to-json-with-mock-sql/comment-page-1#comment-269826 ilazarte Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:37:37 +0000 http://ajaxian.com/?p=5378#comment-269826 holy ****! Very forward thinking of the Y team. It's clear they've been reading up on semantic querying technologies like SparQL. My first impression is "awesome". holy ****! Very forward thinking of the Y team. It’s clear they’ve been reading up on semantic querying technologies like SparQL.

My first impression is “awesome”.

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